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I think many of us here call it a generally good move, we just wanted to see everything that was proposed before it was passed. Not that we could do anything ab

I think many of us here call it a generally good move, we just wanted to see everything that was proposed before it was passed. Not that we could do anything about it.

ebbv 12y ago
We'll see it all soon (as in the next couple weeks) and if there's something awful in there we can start calling for revision.
- cubano 12y ago
  Nothing is going to happen in the next couple of weeks. There are going to be lawsuits galore that will hold up any significant changes to internet services for years.
  - ebbv 12y ago
    What? The regulations will certainly be released in the next couple weeks. Yes, that's also when the lawsuits will start. But I was talking about the regulations being released (since that's what the comment I was replying to was talking about.) Feel free to take your terrible attitude elsewhere.
    - dang 12y ago
      > Feel free to take your terrible attitude elsewhere Personal attacks are not allowed on Hacker News.
      - ebbv 12y ago
        I stand by my assertion that telling him he has a shitty attitude is not a personal attack. No more so than you telling me that I made a personal attack is a personal attack. His comment showed a shitty attitude underlying it. Pointing that out is just like pointing out that someone is being aggressive, insulting, etc. EDIT: And as far as me telling him to feel free to take it elsewhere, that's just me saying I'm not interested in it. While it's good that HN discourages/disallows personal attacks, that can be taken too far to the point of being reactionary and looking for any excuse to simply dismiss someone because they said something someone else didn't like.
    - cubano 12y ago
      You ad hominem attack aside, whatever wording may or may not be in the regulations will not matter near as much as how things will actually be implemented, and how these implemented changes will affect us all here on the web. For example, there are 1000's of crazy laws on the books here in the US. Plenty of websites document "laws" like "it's a misdemeanor to walk your dog on Sunday within 100 feet of a church" Since no police actually enforce these type of laws, the wording in the statue goes unnoticed...no one cares. But if they did, all hell would break loose and the current local officials would probably quickly change them. That is the gist of the direction I was trying to take.
      - mortehu 12y ago
        > Plenty of websites document "laws" like "it's a misdemeanor to walk your dog on Sunday within 100 feet of a church" I recently learned that these are actually mostly jokes, and have never been real laws anywhere.
      - ebbv 12y ago
        I repeat your attitude sucks. That's not an ad hominem attack. An ad hominem attack is an attack directed at your person, I'm attacking the nature and premise of your comments; they come from a place of useless negativity. Your attitude is basically "This means nothing because only the implementation and enforcement means anything." Which is just absurd. Of course the implementation and enforcement matter, but the regulations matter as well.
        cubano 12y ago
        Yes, but of course, my attitude is a part of my "person". Perhaps it is you who should lighten up a bit, my friend.
        Karunamon 12y ago
        "Your attitude sucks" is not an ad hominem argument, "Your argument is incorrect because your attitude sucks" is. The first is an observation and has no bearing on the facts.

I think many of us here call it a generally good move, we just wanted to see everything that was proposed before it was passed. Not that we could do anything about it.

ebbv 12y ago

We'll see it all soon (as in the next couple weeks) and if there's something awful in there we can start calling for revision.

cubano 12y ago
Nothing is going to happen in the next couple of weeks. There are going to be lawsuits galore that will hold up any significant changes to internet services for years.
- ebbv 12y ago
  What? The regulations will certainly be released in the next couple weeks. Yes, that's also when the lawsuits will start. But I was talking about the regulations being released (since that's what the comment I was replying to was talking about.) Feel free to take your terrible attitude elsewhere.
  - dang 12y ago
    > Feel free to take your terrible attitude elsewhere Personal attacks are not allowed on Hacker News.
    - ebbv 12y ago
      I stand by my assertion that telling him he has a shitty attitude is not a personal attack. No more so than you telling me that I made a personal attack is a personal attack. His comment showed a shitty attitude underlying it. Pointing that out is just like pointing out that someone is being aggressive, insulting, etc. EDIT: And as far as me telling him to feel free to take it elsewhere, that's just me saying I'm not interested in it. While it's good that HN discourages/disallows personal attacks, that can be taken too far to the point of being reactionary and looking for any excuse to simply dismiss someone because they said something someone else didn't like.
  - cubano 12y ago
    You ad hominem attack aside, whatever wording may or may not be in the regulations will not matter near as much as how things will actually be implemented, and how these implemented changes will affect us all here on the web. For example, there are 1000's of crazy laws on the books here in the US. Plenty of websites document "laws" like "it's a misdemeanor to walk your dog on Sunday within 100 feet of a church" Since no police actually enforce these type of laws, the wording in the statue goes unnoticed...no one cares. But if they did, all hell would break loose and the current local officials would probably quickly change them. That is the gist of the direction I was trying to take.
    - mortehu 12y ago
      > Plenty of websites document "laws" like "it's a misdemeanor to walk your dog on Sunday within 100 feet of a church" I recently learned that these are actually mostly jokes, and have never been real laws anywhere.
    - ebbv 12y ago
      I repeat your attitude sucks. That's not an ad hominem attack. An ad hominem attack is an attack directed at your person, I'm attacking the nature and premise of your comments; they come from a place of useless negativity. Your attitude is basically "This means nothing because only the implementation and enforcement means anything." Which is just absurd. Of course the implementation and enforcement matter, but the regulations matter as well.
      - cubano 12y ago
        Yes, but of course, my attitude is a part of my "person". Perhaps it is you who should lighten up a bit, my friend.
        Karunamon 12y ago
        "Your attitude sucks" is not an ad hominem argument, "Your argument is incorrect because your attitude sucks" is. The first is an observation and has no bearing on the facts.