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Intel, Cisco, and IBM are on the Republicans' side on this issue. Do they not know technology?

covzzire 12y ago
Ars has been playing on the 'Republicans are against it so it must be good' emotion card for awhile now. That's almost all I see on this issue in the tech media. What's been happening is that all objections are being dismissed as "Republicans lol" and "Fox News reporting so must be wrong". Our national discussion is literally at the level of Jon Stewart's mockery of things that warrant serious discussion.
- pnut 12y ago
  When was the last time you heard a Republican politician on the national stage raise an issue that was not obviously directed at their base, or donors? A comment that plainly stated a fact in a noninflammatory way? Or proposed a course of action that was not designed to be punitive to some group, or alternately, designed to disproportionately benefit the powerful? Republicans inhabit a carefully-crafted parallel reality that is at the breaking point of divergence from American and global first-world society. Personally, I'll take them seriously when they change their methods and rhetoric, which is probably never. Their current attitude and language indicates they are not interested in either my vote, or my problems.
  - cubano 12y ago
    > When was the last time you heard a Republican politician on the national stage raise an issue that was not obviously directed at their base, or donors? Do you seriously believe that it's only Republicans that pander to their base?
    - redler 12y ago
      It's certainly not only Republicans. But neither are they pandering to their "base" in any traditional sense; rather, they are pandering to a few dozen specific people, the extreme concentration of whose wealth generates gravitational fields that that propagate through today's medium more freely than in any time in recent memory.
      - cubano 12y ago
        And George Soros[1] wasn't a HUGE part of the NN push? I'm not trying to turn this into a Repub/Demo circle-jerk...I just personally believe, and my experience has proven, there there is barely a dime's worth of difference between the two parties, and that they are all simply plutocrats. [1] http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/soros-ford-shovel-196-million-to-net-neutrality-groups-staff-to-white-house/article/2560702 http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/soros-ford-shovel-196-mill...
    - saalweachter 12y ago
      To be fair, Republicans are way better at pandering to their base. Democrats tend to flake out and betray their base at the drop of a hat.
  - wtbob 12y ago
    > When was the last time you heard a Republican politician on the national stage raise an issue that was not obviously directed at their base, or donors? What would you expect a politician to do—raise an issue his supporters don't care about? That doesn't even begin to make sense. All of your points apply to every politician, and to every talking head.
ForHackernews 12y ago
I would assume they want to sell expensive traffic-shaping routers and networking gear to telecoms.
- nknighthb 12y ago
  They would be better served long-term by overall growth in internet traffic. But large corporations beholden to the stock market don't want to have to explain to Wall Street that earnings are going to tank next quarter after some of their most lucrative customers went elsewhere in retaliation for their political stance.
FireBeyond 12y ago
Ahh, they're big, so they must know better than us. You're not actually making any salient points, other than appealing to authority and big bank accounts (sounds a little like the Republicans). In fact you haven't made a salient point anti NN in this entire thread other than to complain about people questioning people's motives. And then there's this. I'm not sure what it's meant to mean. Although, I have seen the cost of some Cisco networking devices. I know exactly what they stand to gain from a tiered Internet (Hint: Billions in sales to telcos looking to shape their traffic based on contracts).

Ars has been playing on the 'Republicans are against it so it must be good' emotion card for awhile now. That's almost all I see on this issue in the tech media. What's been happening is that all objections are being dismissed as "Republicans lol" and "Fox News reporting so must be wrong". Our national discussion is literally at the level of Jon Stewart's mockery of things that warrant serious discussion.

pnut 12y ago
When was the last time you heard a Republican politician on the national stage raise an issue that was not obviously directed at their base, or donors? A comment that plainly stated a fact in a noninflammatory way? Or proposed a course of action that was not designed to be punitive to some group, or alternately, designed to disproportionately benefit the powerful? Republicans inhabit a carefully-crafted parallel reality that is at the breaking point of divergence from American and global first-world society. Personally, I'll take them seriously when they change their methods and rhetoric, which is probably never. Their current attitude and language indicates they are not interested in either my vote, or my problems.
- cubano 12y ago
  > When was the last time you heard a Republican politician on the national stage raise an issue that was not obviously directed at their base, or donors? Do you seriously believe that it's only Republicans that pander to their base?
  - redler 12y ago
    It's certainly not only Republicans. But neither are they pandering to their "base" in any traditional sense; rather, they are pandering to a few dozen specific people, the extreme concentration of whose wealth generates gravitational fields that that propagate through today's medium more freely than in any time in recent memory.
    - cubano 12y ago
      And George Soros[1] wasn't a HUGE part of the NN push? I'm not trying to turn this into a Repub/Demo circle-jerk...I just personally believe, and my experience has proven, there there is barely a dime's worth of difference between the two parties, and that they are all simply plutocrats. [1] http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/soros-ford-shovel-196-million-to-net-neutrality-groups-staff-to-white-house/article/2560702 http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/soros-ford-shovel-196-mill...
  - saalweachter 12y ago
    To be fair, Republicans are way better at pandering to their base. Democrats tend to flake out and betray their base at the drop of a hat.
- wtbob 12y ago
  > When was the last time you heard a Republican politician on the national stage raise an issue that was not obviously directed at their base, or donors? What would you expect a politician to do—raise an issue his supporters don't care about? That doesn't even begin to make sense. All of your points apply to every politician, and to every talking head.

ForHackernews 12y ago

I would assume they want to sell expensive traffic-shaping routers and networking gear to telecoms.

nknighthb 12y ago
They would be better served long-term by overall growth in internet traffic. But large corporations beholden to the stock market don't want to have to explain to Wall Street that earnings are going to tank next quarter after some of their most lucrative customers went elsewhere in retaliation for their political stance.

FireBeyond 12y ago

Ahh, they're big, so they must know better than us. You're not actually making any salient points, other than appealing to authority and big bank accounts (sounds a little like the Republicans). In fact you haven't made a salient point anti NN in this entire thread other than to complain about people questioning people's motives. And then there's this. I'm not sure what it's meant to mean. Although, I have seen the cost of some Cisco networking devices. I know exactly what they stand to gain from a tiered Internet (Hint: Billions in sales to telcos looking to shape their traffic based on contracts).