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I agree with some of the other sentiment. It's probably due to connections with various people. I personally don't approve of such underhanded tactics in the i

by MollyR 12y ago

I agree with some of the other sentiment. It's probably due to connections with various people. I personally don't approve of such underhanded tactics in the indie scene. When I was part of the indie game scene in the beginning (New York scene), there was a lot of hope and I guess naivety ,that the best game would naturally float to the top in terms of news and such. However it seems more like the people you were friends with mattered a lot more than the actual game, that was incredibly disheartening to me and I dropped that scene. I would say the indie scene right now works exactly the same way as AAA scene, with all the underhanded dealings just in its own microcosm.

jakejake 12y ago
I wouldn't call something "underhanded" unless there was some malice or sabotage of other people's work. I ran into this attitude a lot when I was a professional musician. We worked our asses off constantly and eventually had some national success. The local Chicago indie scene kinda snubbed us at that point. I would see the same guys we always saw around town and they just weren't putting any effort into promoting their bands. But they would be mad at us when we had never done a thing to keep them down. In fact we had even tried to help others with introductions, pushing the fact that we were from Chicago and trying to mention friends when we got press. But we were just sell-outs I guess.
- KaoruAoiShiho 12y ago
  From a gametheory perspective you guys are defectors. If connections didn't play a role then the media would be using a meritocratic method to find products or give equal time to different products for evaluation. I wonder if this is something that society can change or if this is a fundamental part of the way that humans work.
  - MollyR 12y ago
    I'm not sure if I understand this correctly. Are you saying connections should matter or a meritocratic method (no connections) is better ? Should society bother to even try to change the way this works ?
  - jakejake 12y ago
    Yea it felt like that. We had zero media connections and in fact were largely ignored by the press until we got signed by a big label. Once that happened the press we got was usually all through them.
- MollyR 12y ago
  You're right. I apologize for my use of the word underhanded. I don't really think there was malice or sabotage of other people's work.
  - jakejake 12y ago
    No apology necessary! I do know what you mean when people who are connected to someone in the press get lots of attention while other, more talented people go unnoticed.

by MollyR 12y ago

jakejake 12y ago

I wouldn't call something "underhanded" unless there was some malice or sabotage of other people's work. I ran into this attitude a lot when I was a professional musician. We worked our asses off constantly and eventually had some national success. The local Chicago indie scene kinda snubbed us at that point. I would see the same guys we always saw around town and they just weren't putting any effort into promoting their bands. But they would be mad at us when we had never done a thing to keep them down. In fact we had even tried to help others with introductions, pushing the fact that we were from Chicago and trying to mention friends when we got press. But we were just sell-outs I guess.

KaoruAoiShiho 12y ago
From a gametheory perspective you guys are defectors. If connections didn't play a role then the media would be using a meritocratic method to find products or give equal time to different products for evaluation. I wonder if this is something that society can change or if this is a fundamental part of the way that humans work.
- MollyR 12y ago
  I'm not sure if I understand this correctly. Are you saying connections should matter or a meritocratic method (no connections) is better ? Should society bother to even try to change the way this works ?
- jakejake 12y ago
  Yea it felt like that. We had zero media connections and in fact were largely ignored by the press until we got signed by a big label. Once that happened the press we got was usually all through them.
MollyR 12y ago
You're right. I apologize for my use of the word underhanded. I don't really think there was malice or sabotage of other people's work.
- jakejake 12y ago
  No apology necessary! I do know what you mean when people who are connected to someone in the press get lots of attention while other, more talented people go unnoticed.