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It could be that the Chinese government has legitimate security concerns - or it could be a convenient excuse to exercise some protectionism using an illegitima

by smoyer 12y ago

It could be that the Chinese government has legitimate security concerns - or it could be a convenient excuse to exercise some protectionism using an illegitimate excuse. Either way, pressure on US companies to not blindly fall in step behind the US government is a good thing.

higherpurpose 12y ago
Even if it's the second, it's still a failure of the US government because of NSA's overreach, which has given the Chinese or Russian governments the excuse to do this. It's basically the same argument civil liberties activists have for when a "freedom" country like US starts torturing people or censoring information. Doing that gives other much worse states the excuse to do it freely as well. If US then comes out and says "hey, you're such an awful government for torturing your people and whatnot", they will respond: "oh yeah? Right back at ya, buddy! Now will you get off your high horse?!" http://www.ibtimes.com/china-us-senate-torture-report-america-needs-clean-its-own-human-rights-issues-1745339 http://www.ibtimes.com/china-us-senate-torture-report-americ... That said, NSA spying is very much a national security issue. Why would you allow other countries to spy on you, hack you, and steal your secrets? I think it's natural to want to take any actions you can against that. It's actually disappointing that only "rival" countries such as China and Russia are taking measures against it. All the European countries should be doing it as well, especially since US doesn't seem to make any difference between China or say Germany.
- smoyer 12y ago
  I'm not arguing with you (my second paragraph says as much).
your_ai_manager 12y ago
Why not both?
Fuxy 12y ago
Realistically thought the NSA may be celebrating now since truth is security is weaker in the home grown products compare to the big name american brands. Better yet skilled foreign hackers won't be checking the security of these products since they most likely can't get their hands on them. So it's security through obscurity for the most part.
- TeMPOraL 12y ago
  Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Let's hope China has enough skilled hackers of their own to keep their own products secure enough.
  - it_learnses 12y ago
    The chinese skilled hackers are too busy snooping on their own citizens for their government. Hopefully the rest of the world can learn from this and move away from Chinese products.

by smoyer 12y ago

higherpurpose 12y ago

Even if it's the second, it's still a failure of the US government because of NSA's overreach, which has given the Chinese or Russian governments the excuse to do this. It's basically the same argument civil liberties activists have for when a "freedom" country like US starts torturing people or censoring information. Doing that gives other much worse states the excuse to do it freely as well. If US then comes out and says "hey, you're such an awful government for torturing your people and whatnot", they will respond: "oh yeah? Right back at ya, buddy! Now will you get off your high horse?!" http://www.ibtimes.com/china-us-senate-torture-report-america-needs-clean-its-own-human-rights-issues-1745339 http://www.ibtimes.com/china-us-senate-torture-report-americ... That said, NSA spying is very much a national security issue. Why would you allow other countries to spy on you, hack you, and steal your secrets? I think it's natural to want to take any actions you can against that. It's actually disappointing that only "rival" countries such as China and Russia are taking measures against it. All the European countries should be doing it as well, especially since US doesn't seem to make any difference between China or say Germany.

smoyer 12y ago
I'm not arguing with you (my second paragraph says as much).

your_ai_manager 12y ago

Why not both?

Fuxy 12y ago

Realistically thought the NSA may be celebrating now since truth is security is weaker in the home grown products compare to the big name american brands. Better yet skilled foreign hackers won't be checking the security of these products since they most likely can't get their hands on them. So it's security through obscurity for the most part.

TeMPOraL 12y ago
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Let's hope China has enough skilled hackers of their own to keep their own products secure enough.
- it_learnses 12y ago
  The chinese skilled hackers are too busy snooping on their own citizens for their government. Hopefully the rest of the world can learn from this and move away from Chinese products.