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though i dropped out, i studied AI in college. i also worked in andrew ng's lab. as a current grad student, why do you believe whatever makes us smart cannot

by sama 12y ago

though i dropped out, i studied AI in college. i also worked in andrew ng's lab. as a current grad student, why do you believe whatever makes us smart cannot be replicated by a computer program?

neuralk 12y ago
I never said that. I think karpathy (also an AI researcher) summed up my feelings, particular the Ryan Adams quote: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9109140 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9109140 edit: apologies about the 'no background' part
- choppaface 12y ago
  Nice link. I also did AI in grad school, and I firmly agree that posts like sama's are, as Ng says, "a distraction from the conversation about... serious issues." The OP is much much more aimed at marketing a plausible future of AI than producing any sort of rigorous prediction. It doesn't even matter if the OP predicts correctly; the post doesn't contribute anything substantially meaningful. I'm sad to see Sam spend so much of his precious time and energy on this post.
pararth 12y ago
> why do you believe whatever makes us smart cannot be replicated by a computer program? Turing's Universality of Computation actually guarantees that whatever is feasible in the physical world can be replicated as a computation in bits. However, I don't share the belief that AI research is anywhere close to achieving this in the most general sense of intelligence. Most AI researchers seem to agree: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9109140 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9109140 Did you have a chance to look at David Deutsch's work on this topic? http://aeon.co/magazine/technology/david-deutsch-artificial-intelligence/ http://aeon.co/magazine/technology/david-deutsch-artificial-... http://www.ted.com/talks/david_deutsch_a_new_way_to_explain_explanation?language=en http://www.ted.com/talks/david_deutsch_a_new_way_to_explain_... http://www.amazon.com/The-Beginning-Infinity-Explanations-Transform/dp/0143121359 http://www.amazon.com/The-Beginning-Infinity-Explanations-Tr... Although Deutsch is not as charismatic a speaker as Kurzweil or as lucid a writer as Bostrom, his arguments make the most sense to me, given my limited experience doing AI research at Stanford. It would be interesting to know your thoughts on Deutsch's theory that the ability to create 'good' explanations is what separates human intelligence from the rest. (maybe through another blog post?) P.S. Since I have your attention here, I took CS183B last quarter and it was really fun. Thanks!
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by sama 12y ago

though i dropped out, i studied AI in college. i also worked in andrew ng's lab. as a current grad student, why do you believe whatever makes us smart cannot be replicated by a computer program?

neuralk 12y ago

I never said that. I think karpathy (also an AI researcher) summed up my feelings, particular the Ryan Adams quote: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9109140 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9109140 edit: apologies about the 'no background' part

choppaface 12y ago
Nice link. I also did AI in grad school, and I firmly agree that posts like sama's are, as Ng says, "a distraction from the conversation about... serious issues." The OP is much much more aimed at marketing a plausible future of AI than producing any sort of rigorous prediction. It doesn't even matter if the OP predicts correctly; the post doesn't contribute anything substantially meaningful. I'm sad to see Sam spend so much of his precious time and energy on this post.

pararth 12y ago

> why do you believe whatever makes us smart cannot be replicated by a computer program? Turing's Universality of Computation actually guarantees that whatever is feasible in the physical world can be replicated as a computation in bits. However, I don't share the belief that AI research is anywhere close to achieving this in the most general sense of intelligence. Most AI researchers seem to agree: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9109140 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9109140 Did you have a chance to look at David Deutsch's work on this topic? http://aeon.co/magazine/technology/david-deutsch-artificial-intelligence/ http://aeon.co/magazine/technology/david-deutsch-artificial-... http://www.ted.com/talks/david_deutsch_a_new_way_to_explain_explanation?language=en http://www.ted.com/talks/david_deutsch_a_new_way_to_explain_... http://www.amazon.com/The-Beginning-Infinity-Explanations-Transform/dp/0143121359 http://www.amazon.com/The-Beginning-Infinity-Explanations-Tr... Although Deutsch is not as charismatic a speaker as Kurzweil or as lucid a writer as Bostrom, his arguments make the most sense to me, given my limited experience doing AI research at Stanford. It would be interesting to know your thoughts on Deutsch's theory that the ability to create 'good' explanations is what separates human intelligence from the rest. (maybe through another blog post?) P.S. Since I have your attention here, I took CS183B last quarter and it was really fun. Thanks!

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