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How exactly do you practice SBM? I find this difficult to believe, since as far as I'm aware there are no science based medical schools, no science based clinic

How exactly do you practice SBM? I find this difficult to believe, since as far as I'm aware there are no science based medical schools, no science based clinical guidelines, no research into the efficacy of science based treatments, etc. As far as I can tell it's just a poorly defined idea that isn't even logically coherent enough to have any real world practitioners. For whatever flaws may exist with naturopathy, at least it's a real thing with legitimate practitioners. edit: Also, your assertion that Dr. Auer advertises himself as a homeopathic practitioner isn't even accurate. His actual bio states, "Dr. Auer is continuously furthering his education and understanding of the body through post-doctorate courses and various seminars ranging from functional medicine, functional endocrinology, natural hormone balancing, holistic nutrition, homeopathy, herbology, chiropractic neurology, and various chiropractic and soft tissue techniques." In other words, he is saying that he has studied homeopathy to some extent. Which if you haven't done, you're probably not a very good doctor.

the_af 12y ago
> "no research into the efficacy of science based treatments" Wouldn't that make SBM not scientific by definition?
- Alex3917 12y ago
  SBM believes that rather than treating patients using evidence based medicine, you should look at the all of the scientific evidence about the efficacy of a treatment, but then weight that evidence using preexisting scientific beliefs about the world in general. The problem is that it's not clear whose gets the decide what the existing scientific beliefs are, how the evidence should be weighted, whether this results in better patient outcomes than treating patients using evidence based medicine, etc.
  - the_af 12y ago
    Oh, ok. Thanks for clarifying! For some reason, I assumed SBM == EBM, and Wikipedia didn't help.
    - Alex3917 12y ago
      As far as I know, the only serious proponents of SBM are the authors of the sciencebasedmedicine.org blog. There don't seem to be any scholarly articles on the subject, and the only books that exist are just compilations of the blog posts.
  - stinos 12y ago
    +1 for pointing out the problems with SBM. While I truly believe in it, it's always good to counter some people thinking it's the ultimate solution which will somehow solve all problems in medicine.
CatDevURandom 12y ago
> I'm aware there are no science based medical schools,, no science based clinical guidelines, no research into the efficacy of science based treatments, etc Since you don't actually support your argument with any data, citations, or rational points, what would you say all these things are based on? > For whatever flaws may exist with naturopathy, at least it's a real thing with legitimate practitioners. Can you please define "it's a real thing" and "legitimate" and "practitioners" in that statement? >Studied homeopathy to some extent. Which if you haven't done, you're probably not a very good doctor. Tell me again how you are able to judge what makes a good doctor? By what authority, knowledge or reasoning?

the_af 12y ago

> "no research into the efficacy of science based treatments" Wouldn't that make SBM not scientific by definition?

Alex3917 12y ago
SBM believes that rather than treating patients using evidence based medicine, you should look at the all of the scientific evidence about the efficacy of a treatment, but then weight that evidence using preexisting scientific beliefs about the world in general. The problem is that it's not clear whose gets the decide what the existing scientific beliefs are, how the evidence should be weighted, whether this results in better patient outcomes than treating patients using evidence based medicine, etc.
- the_af 12y ago
  Oh, ok. Thanks for clarifying! For some reason, I assumed SBM == EBM, and Wikipedia didn't help.
  - Alex3917 12y ago
    As far as I know, the only serious proponents of SBM are the authors of the sciencebasedmedicine.org blog. There don't seem to be any scholarly articles on the subject, and the only books that exist are just compilations of the blog posts.
- stinos 12y ago
  +1 for pointing out the problems with SBM. While I truly believe in it, it's always good to counter some people thinking it's the ultimate solution which will somehow solve all problems in medicine.

CatDevURandom 12y ago

> I'm aware there are no science based medical schools,, no science based clinical guidelines, no research into the efficacy of science based treatments, etc Since you don't actually support your argument with any data, citations, or rational points, what would you say all these things are based on? > For whatever flaws may exist with naturopathy, at least it's a real thing with legitimate practitioners. Can you please define "it's a real thing" and "legitimate" and "practitioners" in that statement? >Studied homeopathy to some extent. Which if you haven't done, you're probably not a very good doctor. Tell me again how you are able to judge what makes a good doctor? By what authority, knowledge or reasoning?