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Origami – Design Prototyping

198 points by geekrax 12y ago

pandeiro 12y ago
Putting 'for Mac OS X/iOS' in title would be nice
knd775 12y ago
Overall, cool. One thing, though: That download button is irritating. At least on Chrome, it doesn't react whatsoever to mouseover/hover. The cursor doesn't even recognize it as a button.
- illicium 12y ago
  A bunch of other things are also broken in Firefox. Yay WebKit-only websites.
crawfordcomeaux 12y ago
Origami Live for iPhone isn't available for download in the US?
mbesto 12y ago
The latest announcement is probably more important: https://medium.com/@bwalkin/introducing-origami-live-and-origami-2-0-a68116294e65 https://medium.com/@bwalkin/introducing-origami-live-and-ori... - Origami Live - Code Export - Sketch Integration Those are some seriously compelling features....!
mgulaid 12y ago
same problem here.. Origami Live ios app is not available in the USA app store.
- dceddia 12y ago
  I'm getting the same thing. I wonder though, does that mean it's available in other countries, or is it just not available at all yet? Is that message essentially a 404?
  - ni-hil 12y ago
    Yes, i'm on the french App Store and it's available
pieter 12y ago
Anyone know how this compares to Framer?
- fredoliveira 12y ago
  They share the same purpose, but functionally they're quite different: 1) Origami is a visual programming tool where you connect functional nodes. Some nodes represent things on screen, some represent actions. You literally connect them to eachother (connect my swipe node to my feed node) to prototype your UI. You use origami in the same way you setup a modular synth, or use something like pure-data or MaxMSP. The end result is a UI prototype. 2) FramerJS is a javascript-based prototyping tool that has a DSL for programming the prototypes. You are very much writing javascript code to simulate the real interactions the user might have with your interface. That's the big difference. If you are familiar with Javascript, you will certainly have an easier time writing code in Framer to represent animation and interactions (it will also translate more easily to final production code because in theory the algorithms for the interactions are similar). If you have no programming background (or just feel at ease with visual programming), you may prefer Origami. (They're both great tools, and despite being quite accustomed to the latest Framer versions, I'm going to try out Origami 2.0 too. Seems like a big step from the previous version.)
pavlov 12y ago
AFAICT Origami is still a collection of plugins for Quartz Composer, a graphics tool by Apple that's included with Xcode. Quartz Composer is effectively deprecated: no updates since 2011, not available in iOS, no Retina support. Building new products on it is not a viable long-term solution, so I wonder if Facebook plans to build a replacement. (Incidentally, if someone wants to make a new Quartz Composer work-a-like, I have a bunch of potentially suitable code that I could share with an open source license... I made a node-based graphics app called PixelConduit whose code I was planning to release but never got around to: http://pixelconduit.com http://pixelconduit.com -- it could make a solid base for a QC-style tool.)
- didgeoridoo 12y ago
  Check out QC's spiritual successor Form at http://www.relativewave.com http://www.relativewave.com Definitely way more focused on mobile applications than general-purpose visualization, but it's been a pleasure to work with so far (much easier than Origami)
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kgc 12y ago
The link to Quartz Composer on the Origami page is old. Here is the current one for XCode 6.1 and Yosemite: https://developer.apple.com/downloads/download.action?path=Developer_Tools/graphics_tools_for_xcode__xcode_6.1/graphicstools_for_xcode_6.1.dmg https://developer.apple.com/downloads/download.action?path=D...
afandian 12y ago
I know of three people (including myself) who will find an interface very difficult to use if there's so much movement in it. Indicating state and actions by visual movement is so incredibly specific to its audience (people who don't mind seeing things zipping round their screen vs people who do) it's a shame to see it destined to become universal. I wonder if they've (Facebook, Google) done any actual scientific research about how various peoples' brains react to movement when they're trying to concentrate on something.
- exogen 12y ago
  All of the examples shown are animating things that are being directly manipulated, not something in your periphery. What would you be concentrating on while you're dragging something with your finger?
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  - afandian 12y ago
    In the real world, if I manipulate a sheet of paper by swiping it with my finger, I expect it to move directly with my finger. If it's wobbly, or springy, my instinct is that it's less controllable and that I need to concentrate more. Intuitively I feel (i.e. I haven't done any research on this) that if something is unstable I need to put more neurons and metal effort into controlling it. If I'm dragging something then I expect it to move directly as I drag it. I think that's something built into human brain, or learned and calibrated at a very early age as we learn to manipulate objects. So if I continuously transform the origin to the location of my finger at any given time, during a drag, the subject of my drag should move. - The four first examples ('rope effect' , 'swipe off stack', '2d waggle', '3d waggle') all involve expressing state changes in terms of movement. - I don't know what the rope effect is for except to look cute. But it feels 'unstable' as above. - I would much rather see a 'dismiss' button to get rid of something, and for it to disappear, than to have to swipe it away and process seeing it move with a 'swipe off stack'. - I would rather an object did directly what I told it than do a 2d or 3d waggle. - 'Compose modal' makes the new modal box slide on screen rather than just appear. etc etc. I don't want to go through every example, but these are (mostly) all introducing movement when I'd rather not have to process it. You probably like them. I don't. That's the point. You can argue about skeumorphism, flat, responsive design etc quite harmlessly. They matter, but they don't actively exclude people. But I think this is something that, like colour schemes, should be researched properly and not subject to the whims of a designer. I'm sure plenty of designers at one point in history have said 'we'll make it red on green, screw the colour blind people'. Now we know better. I feel this is analogous on some level.
caseyf7 12y ago
What about the license? Is there any cause for concern here? https://github.com/facebook/origami/blob/master/LICENSE.md https://github.com/facebook/origami/blob/master/LICENSE.md " Facebook, Inc. (“Facebook”) owns all right, title and interest, including all intellectual property and other proprietary rights, in and to the Origami framework. Subject to your compliance with these terms, you are hereby granted a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free copyright license to (1) use and copy the Origami framework; and (2) reproduce and distribute the Origami framework as part of your own framework (“Your Software”). Facebook reserves all rights not expressly granted to you in this license agreement. ... You will include in Your Software (e.g., in the file(s), documentation or other materials accompanying your framework): (1) the disclaimer set forth above; (2) this sentence; and (3) the following copyright notice: Copyright (c) 2013-2014, Facebook, Inc. All rights reserved. "
- jnem 12y ago
  Not a lawyer, but..As far as using Origami for prototyping? No, I don't think there is any issue. Using and shipping Origami framework along with your own product, yes. Im pretty sure they are only saying "If you implement Origami into your own framework, you must provide attribution".
kazinator 12y ago
Origami is already the name of some folding editor from Microsoft. (Folding, get it? It's actually a topical name.) The Japanese language has lots of words; there is enough for every gaijin to have a unique one for their programming project.
thomasfl 12y ago
Not available in Norwegian app store. Is there a precompiled version I could simply just download?
thewhitetulip 12y ago
Why do all tools get created for Mac only?
- olifante 12y ago
  because that's where the developers are, nowadays.

198 points by geekrax 12y ago

Putting 'for Mac OS X/iOS' in title would be nice

Overall, cool. One thing, though: That download button is irritating. At least on Chrome, it doesn't react whatsoever to mouseover/hover. The cursor doesn't even recognize it as a button.

illicium 12y ago
A bunch of other things are also broken in Firefox. Yay WebKit-only websites.

crawfordcomeaux 12y ago

Origami Live for iPhone isn't available for download in the US?

mbesto 12y ago

The latest announcement is probably more important: https://medium.com/@bwalkin/introducing-origami-live-and-origami-2-0-a68116294e65 https://medium.com/@bwalkin/introducing-origami-live-and-ori... - Origami Live - Code Export - Sketch Integration Those are some seriously compelling features....!

mgulaid 12y ago

same problem here.. Origami Live ios app is not available in the USA app store.

dceddia 12y ago
I'm getting the same thing. I wonder though, does that mean it's available in other countries, or is it just not available at all yet? Is that message essentially a 404?
- ni-hil 12y ago
  Yes, i'm on the french App Store and it's available

pieter 12y ago

Anyone know how this compares to Framer?

fredoliveira 12y ago
They share the same purpose, but functionally they're quite different: 1) Origami is a visual programming tool where you connect functional nodes. Some nodes represent things on screen, some represent actions. You literally connect them to eachother (connect my swipe node to my feed node) to prototype your UI. You use origami in the same way you setup a modular synth, or use something like pure-data or MaxMSP. The end result is a UI prototype. 2) FramerJS is a javascript-based prototyping tool that has a DSL for programming the prototypes. You are very much writing javascript code to simulate the real interactions the user might have with your interface. That's the big difference. If you are familiar with Javascript, you will certainly have an easier time writing code in Framer to represent animation and interactions (it will also translate more easily to final production code because in theory the algorithms for the interactions are similar). If you have no programming background (or just feel at ease with visual programming), you may prefer Origami. (They're both great tools, and despite being quite accustomed to the latest Framer versions, I'm going to try out Origami 2.0 too. Seems like a big step from the previous version.)

pavlov 12y ago

AFAICT Origami is still a collection of plugins for Quartz Composer, a graphics tool by Apple that's included with Xcode. Quartz Composer is effectively deprecated: no updates since 2011, not available in iOS, no Retina support. Building new products on it is not a viable long-term solution, so I wonder if Facebook plans to build a replacement. (Incidentally, if someone wants to make a new Quartz Composer work-a-like, I have a bunch of potentially suitable code that I could share with an open source license... I made a node-based graphics app called PixelConduit whose code I was planning to release but never got around to: http://pixelconduit.com http://pixelconduit.com -- it could make a solid base for a QC-style tool.)

didgeoridoo 12y ago
Check out QC's spiritual successor Form at http://www.relativewave.com http://www.relativewave.com Definitely way more focused on mobile applications than general-purpose visualization, but it's been a pleasure to work with so far (much easier than Origami)
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kgc 12y ago

The link to Quartz Composer on the Origami page is old. Here is the current one for XCode 6.1 and Yosemite: https://developer.apple.com/downloads/download.action?path=Developer_Tools/graphics_tools_for_xcode__xcode_6.1/graphicstools_for_xcode_6.1.dmg https://developer.apple.com/downloads/download.action?path=D...

afandian 12y ago

I know of three people (including myself) who will find an interface very difficult to use if there's so much movement in it. Indicating state and actions by visual movement is so incredibly specific to its audience (people who don't mind seeing things zipping round their screen vs people who do) it's a shame to see it destined to become universal. I wonder if they've (Facebook, Google) done any actual scientific research about how various peoples' brains react to movement when they're trying to concentrate on something.

exogen 12y ago
All of the examples shown are animating things that are being directly manipulated, not something in your periphery. What would you be concentrating on while you're dragging something with your finger?
- deleted 12y ago
  [deleted]
- afandian 12y ago
  In the real world, if I manipulate a sheet of paper by swiping it with my finger, I expect it to move directly with my finger. If it's wobbly, or springy, my instinct is that it's less controllable and that I need to concentrate more. Intuitively I feel (i.e. I haven't done any research on this) that if something is unstable I need to put more neurons and metal effort into controlling it. If I'm dragging something then I expect it to move directly as I drag it. I think that's something built into human brain, or learned and calibrated at a very early age as we learn to manipulate objects. So if I continuously transform the origin to the location of my finger at any given time, during a drag, the subject of my drag should move. - The four first examples ('rope effect' , 'swipe off stack', '2d waggle', '3d waggle') all involve expressing state changes in terms of movement. - I don't know what the rope effect is for except to look cute. But it feels 'unstable' as above. - I would much rather see a 'dismiss' button to get rid of something, and for it to disappear, than to have to swipe it away and process seeing it move with a 'swipe off stack'. - I would rather an object did directly what I told it than do a 2d or 3d waggle. - 'Compose modal' makes the new modal box slide on screen rather than just appear. etc etc. I don't want to go through every example, but these are (mostly) all introducing movement when I'd rather not have to process it. You probably like them. I don't. That's the point. You can argue about skeumorphism, flat, responsive design etc quite harmlessly. They matter, but they don't actively exclude people. But I think this is something that, like colour schemes, should be researched properly and not subject to the whims of a designer. I'm sure plenty of designers at one point in history have said 'we'll make it red on green, screw the colour blind people'. Now we know better. I feel this is analogous on some level.

caseyf7 12y ago

What about the license? Is there any cause for concern here? https://github.com/facebook/origami/blob/master/LICENSE.md https://github.com/facebook/origami/blob/master/LICENSE.md " Facebook, Inc. (“Facebook”) owns all right, title and interest, including all intellectual property and other proprietary rights, in and to the Origami framework. Subject to your compliance with these terms, you are hereby granted a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free copyright license to (1) use and copy the Origami framework; and (2) reproduce and distribute the Origami framework as part of your own framework (“Your Software”). Facebook reserves all rights not expressly granted to you in this license agreement. ... You will include in Your Software (e.g., in the file(s), documentation or other materials accompanying your framework): (1) the disclaimer set forth above; (2) this sentence; and (3) the following copyright notice: Copyright (c) 2013-2014, Facebook, Inc. All rights reserved. "

jnem 12y ago
Not a lawyer, but..As far as using Origami for prototyping? No, I don't think there is any issue. Using and shipping Origami framework along with your own product, yes. Im pretty sure they are only saying "If you implement Origami into your own framework, you must provide attribution".

kazinator 12y ago

Origami is already the name of some folding editor from Microsoft. (Folding, get it? It's actually a topical name.) The Japanese language has lots of words; there is enough for every gaijin to have a unique one for their programming project.

thomasfl 12y ago

Not available in Norwegian app store. Is there a precompiled version I could simply just download?

thewhitetulip 12y ago

Why do all tools get created for Mac only?

olifante 12y ago
because that's where the developers are, nowadays.