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I thougt that a 2 and a 7 were the worst, but here a 2 and 3 has -35.4% win%-lose% while 2 and 7 has a slightly better -30.8% win%-lose% (second diagram). Any i

I thougt that a 2 and a 7 were the worst, but here a 2 and 3 has -35.4% win%-lose% while 2 and 7 has a slightly better -30.8% win%-lose% (second diagram). Any idea what the difference is?

soupboy 12y ago
Not a poker expert by far, but this could be because 2/3 can only participate in three straight draws (A2345,23456,34567) whereas 2/7 can be in seven straight hands. (A2345, 23456, 34567, 45678, 56789, 6789T, 789TJ)
- swang 12y ago
  But you need 4 cards on the board vs using both in your hand for all those 2-7 "straights"
- mod 12y ago
  Suffice it to say that no, that's not the reason. The reason is entirely high-card strength vs all the hands including cards less than 7, like 65, 64, etc. EDIT: And the value of pairing the 7 vs pairing the 3, again where high card strength matters--6X pairing the 6 won't matter as often. Given there's only two hands, they are somewhat likely to showdown unimproved, not making a pair or better. If you analyzed ten handed tables, 2-7 fares the worst.
davis_m 12y ago
72 offsuit is the worst hand against a table of opponents because it is the lowest hand that has no straight or flush opportunities (using both hole cards) 23 offsuit is the worst hand against a single opponent because the likelihood of needing a straight or flush to win the hand decreases and the penalty for having a lower highcard is higher.
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swang 12y ago
27 has high card value compared to 23 vs all other hands. Vs a hand someone would actually play, like JT, you don't have any high card value.
jdmichal 12y ago
I'm going to guess that, after you enumerate all possible opposing hands along with all possible table cards, that the 7 gets paired up for a win more often than the straight lines up for a win. Also, due to their low card value, a 2-3 will pretty much automatically lose with no pairings, straights, or flushes. (And even then, it's a weak flush.) If you look at the final diagram, they are almost equal in average expected payout, with the 2-7 dropping value much more than the 2-3. I would expect this is due to the paired 7 not being very strong against more commonly played hands with higher average card value. (In other words, 7 doesn't mean as much when the average opponent has cards higher than a 7.)

I thougt that a 2 and a 7 were the worst, but here a 2 and 3 has -35.4% win%-lose% while 2 and 7 has a slightly better -30.8% win%-lose% (second diagram). Any idea what the difference is?

soupboy 12y ago

Not a poker expert by far, but this could be because 2/3 can only participate in three straight draws (A2345,23456,34567) whereas 2/7 can be in seven straight hands. (A2345, 23456, 34567, 45678, 56789, 6789T, 789TJ)

swang 12y ago
But you need 4 cards on the board vs using both in your hand for all those 2-7 "straights"
mod 12y ago
Suffice it to say that no, that's not the reason. The reason is entirely high-card strength vs all the hands including cards less than 7, like 65, 64, etc. EDIT: And the value of pairing the 7 vs pairing the 3, again where high card strength matters--6X pairing the 6 won't matter as often. Given there's only two hands, they are somewhat likely to showdown unimproved, not making a pair or better. If you analyzed ten handed tables, 2-7 fares the worst.

davis_m 12y ago

72 offsuit is the worst hand against a table of opponents because it is the lowest hand that has no straight or flush opportunities (using both hole cards) 23 offsuit is the worst hand against a single opponent because the likelihood of needing a straight or flush to win the hand decreases and the penalty for having a lower highcard is higher.

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swang 12y ago

27 has high card value compared to 23 vs all other hands. Vs a hand someone would actually play, like JT, you don't have any high card value.

jdmichal 12y ago

I'm going to guess that, after you enumerate all possible opposing hands along with all possible table cards, that the 7 gets paired up for a win more often than the straight lines up for a win. Also, due to their low card value, a 2-3 will pretty much automatically lose with no pairings, straights, or flushes. (And even then, it's a weak flush.) If you look at the final diagram, they are almost equal in average expected payout, with the 2-7 dropping value much more than the 2-3. I would expect this is due to the paired 7 not being very strong against more commonly played hands with higher average card value. (In other words, 7 doesn't mean as much when the average opponent has cards higher than a 7.)