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"there are US citizens that are being executed without even a trial" Wow! Edgy stuff. You should present your evidence, it would be the news story of the decad

by PlzSnow 12y ago

"there are US citizens that are being executed without even a trial" Wow! Edgy stuff. You should present your evidence, it would be the news story of the decade. You do have evidence I presume? It's not as if you would write something so outlandish based purely on conspiracy theories?

jzwinck 12y ago
Have you seen this? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15121879 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15121879 Two weeks later: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/anwar-al-awlakis-family-speaks-out-against-his-sons-deaths/2011/10/17/gIQA8kFssL_story.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/anwar-... Both of the above were US citizens killed by drones abroad. One of them was not even an adult yet, by US law.
- natrius 12y ago
  And, for the record, it was not the news story of the decade.
- wtbob 12y ago
  Combat is not execution.
  - Phlarp 12y ago
    Dropping a bomb on teenagers with a robotic airplane from a shipping container in Nevada is not combat.
    - PlzSnow 12y ago
      It fits the definition of "combat" used by almost everyone. And basically no-one would define it as "execution". So there's your problem there.
      - Phlarp 12y ago
        >It fits the definition of "combat" used by almost everyone. [Citation Needed] >basically no-one would define it as "execution". I would.
      - rmxt 12y ago
        >It fits the definition of "combat" used by almost everyone. And basically no-one would define it as "execution". So there's your problem there. A simple search would show you that your assertion is mere bravado and puffery, attempting to paint things in a black and white light. "Almost everyone" and "basically no-one" are weasel words. The issue is nuanced. Published news articles calling it execution: http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a14627/obama-lethal-presidency-0812/ http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a14627/obama-lethal-pre... http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/feb/05/obama-kill-list-doj-memo http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/feb/05/obama-k... http://socialistworker.org/2013/02/12/execution-by-drone http://socialistworker.org/2013/02/12/execution-by-drone Some cross-aisle input: http://www.glennbeck.com/2013/02/06/drone-strikes-murder-mob-hit-or-ethical-wise-execution/ http://www.glennbeck.com/2013/02/06/drone-strikes-murder-mob... Academic journals debating the implications of drone warfare: http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=8381079&fileId=S0892679411000281 http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPag... http://se.asee.org/proceedings/ASEE2013/Papers2013/157.PDF http://se.asee.org/proceedings/ASEE2013/Papers2013/157.PDF http://www.e-ir.info/2013/07/18/just-war-theory-and-the-ethics-of-drone-warfare/ http://www.e-ir.info/2013/07/18/just-war-theory-and-the-ethi... A book on the topic: Drone Warfare: Killing by Remote Control: http://goo.gl/cghukG http://goo.gl/cghukG Though, frankly, I picture you more like the cross-section mentioned in this excerpt (pg. 210, bottom of the page): https://books.google.com/books?id=RcGZ_x96exgC&lpg=PA210&ots=8XI2wpKm2P&pg=PA210#v=onepage&q&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=RcGZ_x96exgC&lpg=PA210&ots...
        PlzSnow 12y ago
        If the only people agreeing with you are Glenn Greenwald, Socialist Worker and Esquire, then maybe your argument has a problem.
- PlzSnow 12y ago
  Your definition of execution would not be recognised by any sensible person or institution.
  - thatsjustcrazy 12y ago
    Are you going to provide the definition used by all sensible people and institutions?
    - thatsjustcrazy 12y ago
      No response and a single down vote. Real mystery where that came from.
      - PlzSnow 12y ago
        "Real mystery where that came from." I hope you're not saying I'm one of them/a spook/lizardman. Because I really like this website and it depresses me that it's slowly being infected with the conspiracy mindset.
        thatsjustcrazy 12y ago
        Sorry, what in the world are you talking about? You are acting strange and paranoid and refuse to answer a simple question.
    - PlzSnow 12y ago
      It's not up to the person arguing the status quo to prove the status quo. It's up to person with the extraordinary theory to provide the extraordinary evidence.

by PlzSnow 12y ago

jzwinck 12y ago

Have you seen this? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15121879 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15121879 Two weeks later: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/anwar-al-awlakis-family-speaks-out-against-his-sons-deaths/2011/10/17/gIQA8kFssL_story.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/anwar-... Both of the above were US citizens killed by drones abroad. One of them was not even an adult yet, by US law.

natrius 12y ago
And, for the record, it was not the news story of the decade.
wtbob 12y ago
Combat is not execution.
- Phlarp 12y ago
  Dropping a bomb on teenagers with a robotic airplane from a shipping container in Nevada is not combat.
  - PlzSnow 12y ago
    It fits the definition of "combat" used by almost everyone. And basically no-one would define it as "execution". So there's your problem there.
    - Phlarp 12y ago
      >It fits the definition of "combat" used by almost everyone. [Citation Needed] >basically no-one would define it as "execution". I would.
    - rmxt 12y ago
      >It fits the definition of "combat" used by almost everyone. And basically no-one would define it as "execution". So there's your problem there. A simple search would show you that your assertion is mere bravado and puffery, attempting to paint things in a black and white light. "Almost everyone" and "basically no-one" are weasel words. The issue is nuanced. Published news articles calling it execution: http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a14627/obama-lethal-presidency-0812/ http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a14627/obama-lethal-pre... http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/feb/05/obama-kill-list-doj-memo http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/feb/05/obama-k... http://socialistworker.org/2013/02/12/execution-by-drone http://socialistworker.org/2013/02/12/execution-by-drone Some cross-aisle input: http://www.glennbeck.com/2013/02/06/drone-strikes-murder-mob-hit-or-ethical-wise-execution/ http://www.glennbeck.com/2013/02/06/drone-strikes-murder-mob... Academic journals debating the implications of drone warfare: http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=8381079&fileId=S0892679411000281 http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPag... http://se.asee.org/proceedings/ASEE2013/Papers2013/157.PDF http://se.asee.org/proceedings/ASEE2013/Papers2013/157.PDF http://www.e-ir.info/2013/07/18/just-war-theory-and-the-ethics-of-drone-warfare/ http://www.e-ir.info/2013/07/18/just-war-theory-and-the-ethi... A book on the topic: Drone Warfare: Killing by Remote Control: http://goo.gl/cghukG http://goo.gl/cghukG Though, frankly, I picture you more like the cross-section mentioned in this excerpt (pg. 210, bottom of the page): https://books.google.com/books?id=RcGZ_x96exgC&lpg=PA210&ots=8XI2wpKm2P&pg=PA210#v=onepage&q&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=RcGZ_x96exgC&lpg=PA210&ots...
      - PlzSnow 12y ago
        If the only people agreeing with you are Glenn Greenwald, Socialist Worker and Esquire, then maybe your argument has a problem.
PlzSnow 12y ago
Your definition of execution would not be recognised by any sensible person or institution.
- thatsjustcrazy 12y ago
  Are you going to provide the definition used by all sensible people and institutions?
  - thatsjustcrazy 12y ago
    No response and a single down vote. Real mystery where that came from.
    - PlzSnow 12y ago
      "Real mystery where that came from." I hope you're not saying I'm one of them/a spook/lizardman. Because I really like this website and it depresses me that it's slowly being infected with the conspiracy mindset.
      - thatsjustcrazy 12y ago
        Sorry, what in the world are you talking about? You are acting strange and paranoid and refuse to answer a simple question.
  - PlzSnow 12y ago
    It's not up to the person arguing the status quo to prove the status quo. It's up to person with the extraordinary theory to provide the extraordinary evidence.