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They're both American citizens. At the end of the day, they have to be let in. They could, potentially, be charged with a crime, but not turned away.

by wheels 12y ago

grecy 12y ago
While I understand your reasoning, keep in mind there are US citizens that are being executed without even a trial. It's fairly obvious the government can and will do whatever they want.
- NegativeK 12y ago
  Prosecuting a journalist -- over something that has the executive branch sweating bullets -- when they're on the way to attend one of the biggest entertainment award ceremonies of the year would be like loading a revolver with a whole stick of dynamite and pretending you're just going to shoot your foot off. "TSA imprisons Oscar winners on their way to the ceremonies" isn't something Obama wants to see in every newspaper on Monday morning.
  - rdtsc 12y ago
    Agree with your comment personally. But can see how one might have these objections: * It would be a way to make an example out of "collaborators". Presumably in the future the next Greenwald would think twice before embarking on this kind of project. * It would also be a way to prove to themselves and the rest of the world that "nobody really cares and public in general supports the Government". Regarding the last issue. There is a hidden danger in these revelations and that is despite all the talk and all the press, it seems the general public is not too interested in the topic after all. This in turn serves as a signal to the executive branch and to the NSA that they need not worry much and can even increase the intensity of their programs.
  - imron 12y ago
    > "TSA imprisons Oscar winners on their way to the ceremonies" Haha, yeah, that would never happen -- oh, except for that one time when it almost did (nominee only, not the winner): http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/palestinian-oscar-nominee-detained-lax-article-1.1269059 http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/palestini...
    - growupkids 12y ago
      A 90 minute delay by immigration because someone didn't bring the right paperwork is not the same thing as being imprisoned.
      - michaelbuddy 12y ago
        No kidding. I've been delayed just about that same timeframe coming back into Chicago while having the right credentials with a foreign greencard holding spouse. Turns out the media didn't ask me for my story.
      - imron 12y ago
        Except he did have the correct papers, including his Oscar invite, and the TSA didn't believe him.
  - Fede_V 12y ago
    Uhh, are you aware of what the Obama administration was doing to James Risen, one of the greatest investigative journalists from the New York Times? They have no problems going after very, very big name journalists with huge organizations behind them.
  - eevilspock 12y ago
    If you refreshed yourself of some American history you might not feel so sure. The likelihood of such a thing happening increases with each rightward shift the country takes. The war on terror is rather popular, and the constitution not so much with is protections for criminals, terrorists, gay marriage, non-christians and atheists, and all other things that make the right see red.
- PlzSnow 12y ago
  "there are US citizens that are being executed without even a trial" Wow! Edgy stuff. You should present your evidence, it would be the news story of the decade. You do have evidence I presume? It's not as if you would write something so outlandish based purely on conspiracy theories?
  - jzwinck 12y ago
    Have you seen this? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15121879 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15121879 Two weeks later: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/anwar-al-awlakis-family-speaks-out-against-his-sons-deaths/2011/10/17/gIQA8kFssL_story.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/anwar-... Both of the above were US citizens killed by drones abroad. One of them was not even an adult yet, by US law.
    - natrius 12y ago
      And, for the record, it was not the news story of the decade.
    - wtbob 12y ago
      Combat is not execution.
      - Phlarp 12y ago
        Dropping a bomb on teenagers with a robotic airplane from a shipping container in Nevada is not combat.
        PlzSnow 12y ago
        It fits the definition of "combat" used by almost everyone. And basically no-one would define it as "execution". So there's your problem there.
        Phlarp 12y ago
- LLWM 12y ago
  There's a big difference between an enemy combatant in a war zone and a journalist going to an awards ceremony.
  - michaelcampbell 12y ago
    Releasing "state secrets" (or whatever spin the gov't wants to put on being embarrassed) carries a pretty stiff penalty that could be worse, or at least as bad as, enemy combatant.
- michaelbuddy 12y ago
  ehhh, when you say U.S. citizens are you referring to Anwar Al-Awlaki? Because that's a very specific strike in that he was a recruiter for Al Qaeda and was with 3 other Al Qaeda members in the same vehicle in northern Yemen. Now you might say they could have let him go. But we did let Al-Baghdadi go, and equally charismatic islamist and look what that led to. Not every U.S. citizen criminal gets a trial. For example if you go on a shooting rampage, and a cop kills you, well no trial, because you couldn't be captured. That's the way this situation was handled in yemen. Why? Because the Yemeni government tried him in absentia and ordered him to be captured dead or alive. If you commit a crime in another country you are subject to their laws. Face it it's an exception that statistically 1 out of 300000000 would have a concern over. So lose the hyperbole it's not going to serve your case as well as more factual statements would.
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- godgod 12y ago
  >> I can't imagine anyone in the US Government trying to prosecute the winner of the Oscar for best documentary, and the winner of a Pulitzer Prize, for the very acts that earned them those awards. you underestimate the power of the dark side

They're both American citizens. At the end of the day, they have to be let in. They could, potentially, be charged with a crime, but not turned away.

by wheels 12y ago

They're both American citizens. At the end of the day, they have to be let in. They could, potentially, be charged with a crime, but not turned away.

grecy 12y ago

While I understand your reasoning, keep in mind there are US citizens that are being executed without even a trial. It's fairly obvious the government can and will do whatever they want.

NegativeK 12y ago
Prosecuting a journalist -- over something that has the executive branch sweating bullets -- when they're on the way to attend one of the biggest entertainment award ceremonies of the year would be like loading a revolver with a whole stick of dynamite and pretending you're just going to shoot your foot off. "TSA imprisons Oscar winners on their way to the ceremonies" isn't something Obama wants to see in every newspaper on Monday morning.
- rdtsc 12y ago
  Agree with your comment personally. But can see how one might have these objections: * It would be a way to make an example out of "collaborators". Presumably in the future the next Greenwald would think twice before embarking on this kind of project. * It would also be a way to prove to themselves and the rest of the world that "nobody really cares and public in general supports the Government". Regarding the last issue. There is a hidden danger in these revelations and that is despite all the talk and all the press, it seems the general public is not too interested in the topic after all. This in turn serves as a signal to the executive branch and to the NSA that they need not worry much and can even increase the intensity of their programs.
- imron 12y ago
  > "TSA imprisons Oscar winners on their way to the ceremonies" Haha, yeah, that would never happen -- oh, except for that one time when it almost did (nominee only, not the winner): http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/palestinian-oscar-nominee-detained-lax-article-1.1269059 http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/palestini...
  - growupkids 12y ago
    A 90 minute delay by immigration because someone didn't bring the right paperwork is not the same thing as being imprisoned.
    - michaelbuddy 12y ago
      No kidding. I've been delayed just about that same timeframe coming back into Chicago while having the right credentials with a foreign greencard holding spouse. Turns out the media didn't ask me for my story.
    - imron 12y ago
      Except he did have the correct papers, including his Oscar invite, and the TSA didn't believe him.
- Fede_V 12y ago
  Uhh, are you aware of what the Obama administration was doing to James Risen, one of the greatest investigative journalists from the New York Times? They have no problems going after very, very big name journalists with huge organizations behind them.
- eevilspock 12y ago
  If you refreshed yourself of some American history you might not feel so sure. The likelihood of such a thing happening increases with each rightward shift the country takes. The war on terror is rather popular, and the constitution not so much with is protections for criminals, terrorists, gay marriage, non-christians and atheists, and all other things that make the right see red.
PlzSnow 12y ago
"there are US citizens that are being executed without even a trial" Wow! Edgy stuff. You should present your evidence, it would be the news story of the decade. You do have evidence I presume? It's not as if you would write something so outlandish based purely on conspiracy theories?
- jzwinck 12y ago
  Have you seen this? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15121879 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15121879 Two weeks later: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/anwar-al-awlakis-family-speaks-out-against-his-sons-deaths/2011/10/17/gIQA8kFssL_story.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/anwar-... Both of the above were US citizens killed by drones abroad. One of them was not even an adult yet, by US law.
  - natrius 12y ago
    And, for the record, it was not the news story of the decade.
  - wtbob 12y ago
    Combat is not execution.
    - Phlarp 12y ago
      Dropping a bomb on teenagers with a robotic airplane from a shipping container in Nevada is not combat.
      - PlzSnow 12y ago
        It fits the definition of "combat" used by almost everyone. And basically no-one would define it as "execution". So there's your problem there.
        Phlarp 12y ago
LLWM 12y ago
There's a big difference between an enemy combatant in a war zone and a journalist going to an awards ceremony.
- michaelcampbell 12y ago
  Releasing "state secrets" (or whatever spin the gov't wants to put on being embarrassed) carries a pretty stiff penalty that could be worse, or at least as bad as, enemy combatant.
michaelbuddy 12y ago
ehhh, when you say U.S. citizens are you referring to Anwar Al-Awlaki? Because that's a very specific strike in that he was a recruiter for Al Qaeda and was with 3 other Al Qaeda members in the same vehicle in northern Yemen. Now you might say they could have let him go. But we did let Al-Baghdadi go, and equally charismatic islamist and look what that led to. Not every U.S. citizen criminal gets a trial. For example if you go on a shooting rampage, and a cop kills you, well no trial, because you couldn't be captured. That's the way this situation was handled in yemen. Why? Because the Yemeni government tried him in absentia and ordered him to be captured dead or alive. If you commit a crime in another country you are subject to their laws. Face it it's an exception that statistically 1 out of 300000000 would have a concern over. So lose the hyperbole it's not going to serve your case as well as more factual statements would.

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godgod 12y ago
>> I can't imagine anyone in the US Government trying to prosecute the winner of the Oscar for best documentary, and the winner of a Pulitzer Prize, for the very acts that earned them those awards. you underestimate the power of the dark side