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There is one more bug I ran into: https://discussion.evernote.com/topic/77405-problems-with-new-update-on-my-mac/ https://discussion.evernote.com/topic/77405-pr

by tlogan 12y ago

There is one more bug I ran into: https://discussion.evernote.com/topic/77405-problems-with-new-update-on-my-mac/ https://discussion.evernote.com/topic/77405-problems-with-ne... However, actually the BEST use case for Evernote is to store random and not so important notes. And Evernote has the best mobile client. So I'm still using Evernote all the time. Also, it is amazing there is no startup trying so solve problem Evernote is solving: - fast mobile client - easy way to take screenshots, photos, records, hand notes and make annotations - fast search and OCR - solid desktop client (can be just some simple HTML editor - nothing fancy) For me, it is ok to have Dropbox as backend storage (in HTML or whatever). Is anybody developing something like this?

bigiain 12y ago
"For me, it is ok to have Dropbox as backend storage" So you'd trade off one unreliable and out-of-your-control service and replace it with something fundamentally the same? There's at least as many horror stories of users losing Dropbox data as there are for lost Evernote data.
- tlogan 12y ago
  Dropbox is the most reliable cloud storage solution on the market. Yes, they also had (and have) bugs but not as many as other solutions.
  - akkartik 12y ago
    Have there been data loss stories about Google Drive? (I'm a google employee, but I'm interested as a recent heavy user of Drive.)
    - mh- 12y ago
      Given that we don't know the number of active users of either service, I think it'd be difficult to draw any conclusions about their relative failure rates [based on horror stories.] If we assume google counts Drive users the way they count Plus users, it probably has a stellar track record. :)
    - bigiain 12y ago
      At the very least, there are stories about Google Account loss, which while perhaps not technically being "data loss stories", are in effect exactly the same thing. I don't remember the details, but a friend got badly burnt a couple of years back with some "known problem" where switching from free to paid googleapps accounts made _everything_ disappear...
  - bigiain 12y ago
    You're probably right - unless in "other solutions" you include things like ext2/3, HFS, FAT32, NTFS etc. I guess my (badly made) point is that if you're complaining about the resilience/reliability of and app that uses a cloud based storage solution, the alternatives aren't limited to other cloud based storage solutions. If you want to fix the problem, fix it - don't just trade it for the same problem with a different service to blame and some unknown difference in risk. There are _many_ greybeards out there who've seen and solved (properly) all the problems with hard drive based storage, and can easily explain the difference between raid, backup, and archive. They will debate the requirements for onsite vs offsite backup and archive, they will have opinions about how many spindles and how many different models and brands of drives to use. They'll have war stories of the time they heard of a file system recovered from an errant root "rm -rf /" with nothing more than a vim window available to use. _Those_ guys will do a better job for you that Evernote or Dropbox or GoogleDrive or ...
walterbell 12y ago
Notebooks on iOS/Mac/Win does most of this (no OCR or annotations) and stores data in plain text where possible, supports open standard WebDAV along with popular cloud storage for sync. http://www.notebooksapp.com http://www.notebooksapp.com
ant6n 12y ago
I'd add - allows exporting all the data - allows taking handwritten notes and drawings with a decent Android client

by tlogan 12y ago

bigiain 12y ago

"For me, it is ok to have Dropbox as backend storage" So you'd trade off one unreliable and out-of-your-control service and replace it with something fundamentally the same? There's at least as many horror stories of users losing Dropbox data as there are for lost Evernote data.

tlogan 12y ago
Dropbox is the most reliable cloud storage solution on the market. Yes, they also had (and have) bugs but not as many as other solutions.
- akkartik 12y ago
  Have there been data loss stories about Google Drive? (I'm a google employee, but I'm interested as a recent heavy user of Drive.)
  - mh- 12y ago
    Given that we don't know the number of active users of either service, I think it'd be difficult to draw any conclusions about their relative failure rates [based on horror stories.] If we assume google counts Drive users the way they count Plus users, it probably has a stellar track record. :)
  - bigiain 12y ago
    At the very least, there are stories about Google Account loss, which while perhaps not technically being "data loss stories", are in effect exactly the same thing. I don't remember the details, but a friend got badly burnt a couple of years back with some "known problem" where switching from free to paid googleapps accounts made _everything_ disappear...
- bigiain 12y ago
  You're probably right - unless in "other solutions" you include things like ext2/3, HFS, FAT32, NTFS etc. I guess my (badly made) point is that if you're complaining about the resilience/reliability of and app that uses a cloud based storage solution, the alternatives aren't limited to other cloud based storage solutions. If you want to fix the problem, fix it - don't just trade it for the same problem with a different service to blame and some unknown difference in risk. There are _many_ greybeards out there who've seen and solved (properly) all the problems with hard drive based storage, and can easily explain the difference between raid, backup, and archive. They will debate the requirements for onsite vs offsite backup and archive, they will have opinions about how many spindles and how many different models and brands of drives to use. They'll have war stories of the time they heard of a file system recovered from an errant root "rm -rf /" with nothing more than a vim window available to use. _Those_ guys will do a better job for you that Evernote or Dropbox or GoogleDrive or ...

walterbell 12y ago

Notebooks on iOS/Mac/Win does most of this (no OCR or annotations) and stores data in plain text where possible, supports open standard WebDAV along with popular cloud storage for sync. http://www.notebooksapp.com http://www.notebooksapp.com

ant6n 12y ago

I'd add - allows exporting all the data - allows taking handwritten notes and drawings with a decent Android client