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> someone might give for hating Blacks, Jews or Mexicans? Because: 1) The groups you mentioned above are too heterogeneous to pass any blanket judgment. 2) The

by ild 12y ago

> someone might give for hating Blacks, Jews or Mexicans? Because: 1) The groups you mentioned above are too heterogeneous to pass any blanket judgment. 2) The conversation is not about techies in general (say a system admin in Shaker Heights, OH, a programmer in Tacoma, WA etc.) but narrow subset of IT people who is well aware of social tensions in city, caused by rapid influx of money, too busy/lazy to participate in improving social ills of the place _insist_ in moving in here, for variety of reasons, although they work in Mountain View. Keep in mind I do not hate them; I myself despise hatred.

swatow 12y ago
1) The groups you mentioned above are too heterogeneous to pass any blanket judgment. But statements against these groups could also be made in a specific context. And I'm sure the people making strong claims against these groups, as you are about tech, would view them as homogeneous. 2) The conversation is not about techies in general (say a system admin in Shaker Heights, OH, a programmer in Tacoma, WA etc.) but narrow subset of IT people who is well aware of social tensions in city, caused by rapid influx of money, too busy/lazy to participate in improving social ills of the place This is an example of an unsubstantiated claim. Again, how to do determine what level of evidence is needed to make such a claim? If a similar claim was made against any other group, evidence would be demanded. insist_ in moving in here, for variety of reasons, although they work in Mountain View. This only makes sense if you assume everything else bad about Tech workers you've claimed is true. If they've done nothing wrong, and prejudice against them is not justified, why shouldn't they move to SF for any reason they like? Keep in mind I do not hate them; I myself despise hatred. I understand, but it's irrelevant. You are listing grievances that people use to justify their hatred of techies, and presumably you agree these grievances are well founded, even if you don't think they justify hatred. I'm arguing against these grievances being justified.
BashiBazouk 12y ago
But, so what? Did the Beats ask the north beach cafes if they could hang out? Did the hippies ask the residents of the Haight if they could make it the center of the counter culture? Did the gays ask the Castro residents if they wanted to be the center of gay rights? In every case the people mentioned just did it. Just like the tech folks are doing now. Lets see what comes of it rather than grasping on to the past. It's a hell of a lot easier to sell art, do theater, have concerts when your patrons have money. Change is not always bad and reality rarely mimics binary opposition...

by ild 12y ago

swatow 12y ago

1) The groups you mentioned above are too heterogeneous to pass any blanket judgment. But statements against these groups could also be made in a specific context. And I'm sure the people making strong claims against these groups, as you are about tech, would view them as homogeneous. 2) The conversation is not about techies in general (say a system admin in Shaker Heights, OH, a programmer in Tacoma, WA etc.) but narrow subset of IT people who is well aware of social tensions in city, caused by rapid influx of money, too busy/lazy to participate in improving social ills of the place This is an example of an unsubstantiated claim. Again, how to do determine what level of evidence is needed to make such a claim? If a similar claim was made against any other group, evidence would be demanded. insist_ in moving in here, for variety of reasons, although they work in Mountain View. This only makes sense if you assume everything else bad about Tech workers you've claimed is true. If they've done nothing wrong, and prejudice against them is not justified, why shouldn't they move to SF for any reason they like? Keep in mind I do not hate them; I myself despise hatred. I understand, but it's irrelevant. You are listing grievances that people use to justify their hatred of techies, and presumably you agree these grievances are well founded, even if you don't think they justify hatred. I'm arguing against these grievances being justified.

BashiBazouk 12y ago

But, so what? Did the Beats ask the north beach cafes if they could hang out? Did the hippies ask the residents of the Haight if they could make it the center of the counter culture? Did the gays ask the Castro residents if they wanted to be the center of gay rights? In every case the people mentioned just did it. Just like the tech folks are doing now. Lets see what comes of it rather than grasping on to the past. It's a hell of a lot easier to sell art, do theater, have concerts when your patrons have money. Change is not always bad and reality rarely mimics binary opposition...