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Someone isn't 'different' because they have their noses stuck in a device 24/7. They are simply not considering others around them. I see no reason why I shoul

Someone isn't 'different' because they have their noses stuck in a device 24/7. They are simply not considering others around them. I see no reason why I should have to tolerate people going around not being present with others. We all have a right to our feelings, so saying "tough luck" is equivalent to saying "I don't care what you feel", which is actually the point of all of this.

Wintamute 12y ago
Aren't you saying "I don't care how you feel" to everyone choosing to engage with the world less directly/personally and more removed/technologically?
- kordless 12y ago
  I'm saying the inverse, I think. The person in the article has a good point, and we shouldn't tolerate 'tough luck' as the response. Someone in their phone clearly doesn't have the bandwidth to care how I feel about their engagement with our reality. I've watched teenagers literally shake their friends to try to get them out of their phones to answer a question on which Jamba Juice they wanted. That behavior is irritating because it mutes my ability to state my feelings to that individual. Obviously I don't talk to everyone I see in the world, but given a significant amount of people run around with their nose in their phone all the time, it can affect how someone who isn't in their phone views the world. Less people engage in conversation, less people 'see' you on the street, less people are 'aware' you exist, etc. It's a real problem and SF is the epicenter of it because a) this is where it all gets built and b) it's part of the tech culture.
  - orangecat 12y ago
    Someone in their phone clearly doesn't have the bandwidth to care how I feel about their engagement with our reality. Your aesthetic preferences do not impose any obligations on anyone else.
forthefuture 12y ago
I guess a better way to phrase it is: "you can feel however you want". As long as you realize that brooding and feeling some type of negative way is a net negative on human civilization. You could think about the lives that people must live that they're using their phones that much. Maybe pressures they face at work that force them to constantly be available, or difficulty meeting friends with adult schedules so they have to try to fit in conversation when they can.
Cyclone_ 12y ago
Oh well I'm sorry but your feelings don't dictate whether or not someone lives next to you. Go live in a subdivision that has rules about what sort of people you like to be around. Just because you're intolerant doesn't mean they should not be able to do as they wish.
- kordless 12y ago
  > I'm sorry your feelings don't dictate whether or not someone lives next to you Are you aware of what a blaming statement is? That's where you say I said something when I really didn't. For example: I never said anything about dictating who lives next to me. I said 'tolerate' as in 'accept'. I don't have to accept anyone who walks around with their nose in their phone all the time...in my life. That's it. I said exactly 0% about anyone living next to me, but I damn sure will tell someone who is stuck in their phone to watch out where they are going.

Wintamute 12y ago

Aren't you saying "I don't care how you feel" to everyone choosing to engage with the world less directly/personally and more removed/technologically?

kordless 12y ago
I'm saying the inverse, I think. The person in the article has a good point, and we shouldn't tolerate 'tough luck' as the response. Someone in their phone clearly doesn't have the bandwidth to care how I feel about their engagement with our reality. I've watched teenagers literally shake their friends to try to get them out of their phones to answer a question on which Jamba Juice they wanted. That behavior is irritating because it mutes my ability to state my feelings to that individual. Obviously I don't talk to everyone I see in the world, but given a significant amount of people run around with their nose in their phone all the time, it can affect how someone who isn't in their phone views the world. Less people engage in conversation, less people 'see' you on the street, less people are 'aware' you exist, etc. It's a real problem and SF is the epicenter of it because a) this is where it all gets built and b) it's part of the tech culture.
- orangecat 12y ago
  Someone in their phone clearly doesn't have the bandwidth to care how I feel about their engagement with our reality. Your aesthetic preferences do not impose any obligations on anyone else.

forthefuture 12y ago

I guess a better way to phrase it is: "you can feel however you want". As long as you realize that brooding and feeling some type of negative way is a net negative on human civilization. You could think about the lives that people must live that they're using their phones that much. Maybe pressures they face at work that force them to constantly be available, or difficulty meeting friends with adult schedules so they have to try to fit in conversation when they can.

Cyclone_ 12y ago

Oh well I'm sorry but your feelings don't dictate whether or not someone lives next to you. Go live in a subdivision that has rules about what sort of people you like to be around. Just because you're intolerant doesn't mean they should not be able to do as they wish.

kordless 12y ago
> I'm sorry your feelings don't dictate whether or not someone lives next to you Are you aware of what a blaming statement is? That's where you say I said something when I really didn't. For example: I never said anything about dictating who lives next to me. I said 'tolerate' as in 'accept'. I don't have to accept anyone who walks around with their nose in their phone all the time...in my life. That's it. I said exactly 0% about anyone living next to me, but I damn sure will tell someone who is stuck in their phone to watch out where they are going.