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Thanks! Yeah, honestly, after deciding to launch this we released a really minimal landing page which I saved here: http://getmagicnow.com/index-old.html http:

by cmikec 12y ago

Thanks! Yeah, honestly, after deciding to launch this we released a really minimal landing page which I saved here: http://getmagicnow.com/index-old.html http://getmagicnow.com/index-old.html - As you can see I made that in about 20 minutes, and was not expecting this. After someone posted it on Product Hunt I spent whatever time I could polishing it up. In general though, I agree, simple websites are much better. Thanks for the kind words.

carlosdp 12y ago
fyi, there's a typo in the FAQ: "we'll let you know the total price so you can confim"
- cmikec 12y ago
  Thank you. Fixed!
heliumcraft 12y ago
Is this available in Canada?
- cmikec 12y ago
  We can't do everything in Canada but we can definitely do some things. Try us.
- deleted 12y ago
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sidcool 12y ago
The font on the new page much better.
petercooper 12y ago
While you have changed the copy and a few other things a little, I was quite amused at how people on ProductHunt considered it untrustworthy mostly through virtue of using Times New Roman rather than a nice Sans. An interesting example in the psychology of running counter to fashion..! :)
- ipavl 12y ago
  That was my thought when I looked at index-old. It kind of makes it look like an early-mid 2000s website, as well as unfinished.
  - Springtime 12y ago
    The typeface of the older design appears as Helvetica on OSX. Edit: realized this is likely due to changing the default font years ago, unbeknownst improving the experience of sites like these. New typeface is certainly an improvement either way.
    - nicky0 12y ago
      Times in Chrome on OS X
- BillFranklin 12y ago
  Not just the design. No Terms and Conditions, no incorporation, no IDs of owners/operators - really doesn't seem like a legitimate business (despite money being handled by Stripe).
maxbrown 12y ago
Great MVP, great focus. Few thoughts - Make sure top phone # is tappable on mobile browsers. Examples that don't make me question your ability to deliver - airline example seems to be hiding complexity (I question it as I read it), others really good
subless 12y ago
If you visit the direct link: http://www.getmagicnow.com/access.php http://www.getmagicnow.com/access.php without adding an email address it still says that "You've been placed on the waiting list!". Simple error, but easy to fix so there is no confusion. Great service!
- downandout 12y ago
  If you visit this link, you can pay them $5,000: http://getmagicnow.com/pay.php?p=500000 http://getmagicnow.com/pay.php?p=500000 Payment pages should really be linked to an order ID of some sort, without which customers shouldn't be allowed to pay. Otherwise, lots of things can go wrong. Depending on how they have configured things on the server side, a customer could change the amount being paid and the system would consider the ticket paid, cheating them out of money. Or a customer could follow an old link and wind up paying twice if they thought it didn't go through the first time.
  - jboggan 12y ago
    If you visit this link, they can pay you $5,000: https://magic.bettir.com/?p=-500000 https://magic.bettir.com/?p=-500000
    - octatoan 12y ago
      Wait, what?
    - codygman 12y ago
      Whoa, seriously? I'm going to guess you're joking since they probably implemented "customer order of amount x".
      - jboggan 12y ago
        Edit: they've fixed this now. I'm not joking, click on it and try to pay. It shows an invoice of ($5,000), a.k.a. $5000 negative dollars. I didn't enter real payment information to see what happens next because of really idiotic interpretations of what constitutes "hacking", but it is a really bad design choice on their part that took me about half a second to find. Founder, if you're reading this: was this an in-house build or did you outsource this?
raldi 12y ago
How come you removed the part of the FAQ that mentioned your fee? I think everyone knows you have to charge one and we're totally cool about it. Did you just feel that subject was best saved for later in the signup process, or did you want to keep the door open for alternate means of revenue?
- ccvannorman 12y ago
  It's part of the secret sauce. If Magic is worth something, then so is knowing their numbers.
- cmikec 12y ago
  We noticed that people were more confused by the ambiguity of the nondescript fee, than us just saying that we'd tell you the total amount. You are right though, we do need to figure out a better way to explain this. If anyone has any ideas, please let me know.
  - raldi 12y ago
    "We quote you one simple price that includes everything: The goods, the delivery, any expected gratuity, all service charges including our own, and any applicable taxes and fees. What you see is what you pay."
    - iandanforth 12y ago
      Can they use that verbatim? Because they should.
      - raldi 12y ago
        Sure, consider it a gift. Now go forth and change the world. (Or at least the world of laziness.)
bhaumik 12y ago
Hm, well here's a startling difference between the HN and Product Hunt community. The PH comments: This website looks extremely untrustworthy, purely from a design standpoint. I feel a lot of potential users would be put off by this! Interesting idea. Terrible site design. Unclear if they're charging for this added convenience. http://www.producthunt.com/posts/magic http://www.producthunt.com/posts/magic
- cmikec 12y ago
  This was pretty funny, actually. They saw the old version I mentioned above. I was surprised when someone posted it on there and I was actually glad that the reaction was lukewarm, because we didn't think we were ready to launch. And then...boom.
  - deleted 12y ago
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  - polynomial 12y ago
    Time to trade up the chain?
- slaction 12y ago
  ProductHunt is just a useless hype machine for starts that don't hold any real value at all.
  - scarlson 12y ago
    There are those that would say HN is no different.
  - matznerd 12y ago
    Not true, Product Hunt delivers quality traffic, with high-level people who are hungry for products and convert very well.
    - lurcio 12y ago
Siecje 12y ago
One thing is that it says chatting is free and there are no hidden fees. It doesn't say how much extra it is costing.
- lifeisstillgood 12y ago
  Tip is included. I suspect just like the concierge at a hotel, the cut comes from the provider of the service (a dozen roses for 100 bucks - they can afford some affiliate fees from that)
biomimic 12y ago
Just take a look at Google's initial page when they started.

by cmikec 12y ago

carlosdp 12y ago

fyi, there's a typo in the FAQ: "we'll let you know the total price so you can confim"

cmikec 12y ago
Thank you. Fixed!

heliumcraft 12y ago

Is this available in Canada?

cmikec 12y ago
We can't do everything in Canada but we can definitely do some things. Try us.
deleted 12y ago
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sidcool 12y ago

The font on the new page much better.

petercooper 12y ago

While you have changed the copy and a few other things a little, I was quite amused at how people on ProductHunt considered it untrustworthy mostly through virtue of using Times New Roman rather than a nice Sans. An interesting example in the psychology of running counter to fashion..! :)

ipavl 12y ago
That was my thought when I looked at index-old. It kind of makes it look like an early-mid 2000s website, as well as unfinished.
- Springtime 12y ago
  The typeface of the older design appears as Helvetica on OSX. Edit: realized this is likely due to changing the default font years ago, unbeknownst improving the experience of sites like these. New typeface is certainly an improvement either way.
  - nicky0 12y ago
    Times in Chrome on OS X
BillFranklin 12y ago
Not just the design. No Terms and Conditions, no incorporation, no IDs of owners/operators - really doesn't seem like a legitimate business (despite money being handled by Stripe).

maxbrown 12y ago

Great MVP, great focus. Few thoughts - Make sure top phone # is tappable on mobile browsers. Examples that don't make me question your ability to deliver - airline example seems to be hiding complexity (I question it as I read it), others really good

subless 12y ago

If you visit the direct link: http://www.getmagicnow.com/access.php http://www.getmagicnow.com/access.php without adding an email address it still says that "You've been placed on the waiting list!". Simple error, but easy to fix so there is no confusion. Great service!

downandout 12y ago
If you visit this link, you can pay them $5,000: http://getmagicnow.com/pay.php?p=500000 http://getmagicnow.com/pay.php?p=500000 Payment pages should really be linked to an order ID of some sort, without which customers shouldn't be allowed to pay. Otherwise, lots of things can go wrong. Depending on how they have configured things on the server side, a customer could change the amount being paid and the system would consider the ticket paid, cheating them out of money. Or a customer could follow an old link and wind up paying twice if they thought it didn't go through the first time.
- jboggan 12y ago
  If you visit this link, they can pay you $5,000: https://magic.bettir.com/?p=-500000 https://magic.bettir.com/?p=-500000
  - octatoan 12y ago
    Wait, what?
  - codygman 12y ago
    Whoa, seriously? I'm going to guess you're joking since they probably implemented "customer order of amount x".
    - jboggan 12y ago
      Edit: they've fixed this now. I'm not joking, click on it and try to pay. It shows an invoice of ($5,000), a.k.a. $5000 negative dollars. I didn't enter real payment information to see what happens next because of really idiotic interpretations of what constitutes "hacking", but it is a really bad design choice on their part that took me about half a second to find. Founder, if you're reading this: was this an in-house build or did you outsource this?

raldi 12y ago

How come you removed the part of the FAQ that mentioned your fee? I think everyone knows you have to charge one and we're totally cool about it. Did you just feel that subject was best saved for later in the signup process, or did you want to keep the door open for alternate means of revenue?

ccvannorman 12y ago
It's part of the secret sauce. If Magic is worth something, then so is knowing their numbers.
cmikec 12y ago
We noticed that people were more confused by the ambiguity of the nondescript fee, than us just saying that we'd tell you the total amount. You are right though, we do need to figure out a better way to explain this. If anyone has any ideas, please let me know.
- raldi 12y ago
  "We quote you one simple price that includes everything: The goods, the delivery, any expected gratuity, all service charges including our own, and any applicable taxes and fees. What you see is what you pay."
  - iandanforth 12y ago
    Can they use that verbatim? Because they should.
    - raldi 12y ago
      Sure, consider it a gift. Now go forth and change the world. (Or at least the world of laziness.)

bhaumik 12y ago

Hm, well here's a startling difference between the HN and Product Hunt community. The PH comments: This website looks extremely untrustworthy, purely from a design standpoint. I feel a lot of potential users would be put off by this! Interesting idea. Terrible site design. Unclear if they're charging for this added convenience. http://www.producthunt.com/posts/magic http://www.producthunt.com/posts/magic

cmikec 12y ago
This was pretty funny, actually. They saw the old version I mentioned above. I was surprised when someone posted it on there and I was actually glad that the reaction was lukewarm, because we didn't think we were ready to launch. And then...boom.
- deleted 12y ago
  [deleted]
- polynomial 12y ago
  Time to trade up the chain?
slaction 12y ago
ProductHunt is just a useless hype machine for starts that don't hold any real value at all.
- scarlson 12y ago
  There are those that would say HN is no different.
- matznerd 12y ago
  Not true, Product Hunt delivers quality traffic, with high-level people who are hungry for products and convert very well.
  - lurcio 12y ago

Siecje 12y ago

One thing is that it says chatting is free and there are no hidden fees. It doesn't say how much extra it is costing.

lifeisstillgood 12y ago
Tip is included. I suspect just like the concierge at a hotel, the cut comes from the provider of the service (a dozen roses for 100 bucks - they can afford some affiliate fees from that)

biomimic 12y ago

Just take a look at Google's initial page when they started.