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I believe having a large technically competent domestic work force is of strategic importance to any modern country. If jobs are outsourced to temporary residen

by jqm 12y ago

I believe having a large technically competent domestic work force is of strategic importance to any modern country. If jobs are outsourced to temporary residents, (especially as wage deflation and reverse discrimination starts occurring), less natives choose to enter the fields or otherwise obtain these skills. They still give the sugar cane industry in Florida large subsidies (even though most sugar is from beets now) because sugar is apparently of such strategic importance to the US. Is one specific kind of sugar of more or less importance than a mass of domestic technical ability? I'm waiting for the day in which societies realize that the importation of low cost labor produces short term benefits... and then much larger problems which last for a very long time. (Edit) The problem (mostly) goes away if immigrants come to be permanent residents and have a stake in the system. I'm very much in favor of immigration/citizenship to the US of talented individuals. Nor are my points on strategic importance a long winded way of saying "they took er jurbs!".

dogma1138 12y ago
I some how doubt that people who go to MIT do it to get a six figure job after they graduate. There are plenty of much "easier" ways of getting paid six figures, heck there are plenty of "blue collar" jobs in certain fields which some are even related to engineering (and 40 years ago would had engineers filling those positions) which American's seem to not want to even touch. My GF's dad teach meteorology and welding in Iceland (In Europe and Asia you'll still find that in a Uni), half of his students end up working these days in the states for companies like Caterpillar and the bigger ship yards, their starting salaries are between 80 and 120K and they are crying each year and trying to lobby for grants to get US students into these fields. Oil, Mining, and large scale construction and manufacturing which once were fields dominated by US companies are dying to staff various technical and engineering positions however with the current theme in US higher education they can only get workers these days from E. Europe, Russia and China for the most part. Pushing some graduates out of software engineering and similar studies might actually be good for the US economy in the long run. However doing it trough migrant visa's which take in people who are paid near to nothing and can't negotiate better terms since dismissal is equivalent to deportation is really not the way to go.

by jqm 12y ago

dogma1138 12y ago

I some how doubt that people who go to MIT do it to get a six figure job after they graduate. There are plenty of much "easier" ways of getting paid six figures, heck there are plenty of "blue collar" jobs in certain fields which some are even related to engineering (and 40 years ago would had engineers filling those positions) which American's seem to not want to even touch. My GF's dad teach meteorology and welding in Iceland (In Europe and Asia you'll still find that in a Uni), half of his students end up working these days in the states for companies like Caterpillar and the bigger ship yards, their starting salaries are between 80 and 120K and they are crying each year and trying to lobby for grants to get US students into these fields. Oil, Mining, and large scale construction and manufacturing which once were fields dominated by US companies are dying to staff various technical and engineering positions however with the current theme in US higher education they can only get workers these days from E. Europe, Russia and China for the most part. Pushing some graduates out of software engineering and similar studies might actually be good for the US economy in the long run. However doing it trough migrant visa's which take in people who are paid near to nothing and can't negotiate better terms since dismissal is equivalent to deportation is really not the way to go.