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For some reason it connotes comparison to a militant leftist activist, like a Sandinista. That doesn't seem like such an inaccurate connotation with respect to

by pekk 12y ago

For some reason it connotes comparison to a militant leftist activist, like a Sandinista. That doesn't seem like such an inaccurate connotation with respect to Snowden's supporters.

nyolfen 12y ago
it's very exciting to live in a world where "i don't want every action i perform to be logged by government agencies" to be translated to "leftist activist", thanks for participating in that framework
- mc32 12y ago
  But pekk isn't making that allegation. He's just pointing out the connotation of adding an "a" to the regular "-ist" suffix. So, it's more that Vice is the one you might be upset with. And not quite tongue-in-cheek, but they could very well be doing that knowingly, subversively.
  - fit2rule 12y ago
    Vogue - a fashion magazine, not Vice - a propaganda front.
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mc32 12y ago
That would seem like an odd thing to do. Most supporters of Snowden, as well as he, present him as a patriot, a defender of the constitution in the face of a spying apparatus which has lost its way. So I would think the last thing they'd want to do is present him and his associations as militant leftists. Therefore, if the assertion to add "a" is a kind of nod to leftist activism, that would seem to betray Snowden's expressed intent.
- pekk 12y ago
  It's a pretty rich comparison which doesn't have to be interpreted negatively (that is dependent on the observer). For example, the Sandinistas would likely see themselves as fighting Yankee imperialism and domestic supporters of the Sandinistas might have an angle of opposing CIA activity. Especially if you bring Assange into this, you really are at most a few hops of association away from the literal Sandinistas. Fitting the "Patriot / Constitution" image in there is a little awkward because of how those words have been appropriated by the far right wing, invoking patriotism is also a little awkward with respect to how much patronage from Russia et al. is involved here. I don't really care what the word ends up being but it would be convenient to have a compact word like "Snowdenista" and I'd appreciate it if the term isn't something pompous and not really indicative like "Patriotic Constitution-Supporter"
  - mc32 12y ago
    I would have to argue against the thought that only people on the right can be 'patriots' Maybe it seems like they are more facile with the word, but people on the regular left aren't any less patriotic, at least in their minds, than people on the regular right. The far right, and perhaps far left, might misappropriate the word, but who cares, it does not take away from other people's patriotism. In my mind, the only viable defense for Snowden is a constitutional defense, else, it would enter treacherous territory, ie. he'd not then be defending citizen's rights, etc. but rather be exposing state secrets, as it were.
  - Spooky23 12y ago
    You're mixing patriotism with nationalism. I'm a patriot because I love my country. I'm not a nationalist because I love my son.
- sliverstorm 12y ago
  His opponents usually take issue with his methods, and believe that his actions speak louder than words. They see his methods as anti-government rather than pro-Constitution.
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sliverstorm 12y ago
Probably because "ista" comes from Spanish, and many of the populist uprisings during the Cold War era happened in Spanish-speaking countries.
DonHopkins 12y ago
During the Reagan administration, the University of Maryland "Commie Co-Op" sold a delicious crispy triangular mince, potato, onion and pea filled pastry called a "Sandinista", which was the left-wing successor to the Samosa, a pun on Anastasio Somoza Debayle, the dictator of Nicaragua before the Sandinistas overthrew him. (Mr. Bane can verify that they were very yummy indeed! ;)
techtics 12y ago
Since it's Vogue they of course use it because of the popularity of the term "fashionista". Both -ist, in English, and -ista, in Spanish and other languages, comes from Latin. The English use of -ista do come from foreign groups, but the meaning is somewhat different. In English an -ist is generally someone who does something or holds a certain view, while a -ista is someone who supports or follows something. Artist - Someone who makes and/or performs art. Modista (in Spanish) - Some who makes clothes, i.e. a fashion designer. (Mod- means fashion in many languages). Fashionista - Someone who follows fashion. But more than anything, as I said "fashionista" -> "Snowdenista".

by pekk 12y ago

For some reason it connotes comparison to a militant leftist activist, like a Sandinista. That doesn't seem like such an inaccurate connotation with respect to Snowden's supporters.

nyolfen 12y ago

it's very exciting to live in a world where "i don't want every action i perform to be logged by government agencies" to be translated to "leftist activist", thanks for participating in that framework

mc32 12y ago
But pekk isn't making that allegation. He's just pointing out the connotation of adding an "a" to the regular "-ist" suffix. So, it's more that Vice is the one you might be upset with. And not quite tongue-in-cheek, but they could very well be doing that knowingly, subversively.
- fit2rule 12y ago
  Vogue - a fashion magazine, not Vice - a propaganda front.
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mc32 12y ago

That would seem like an odd thing to do. Most supporters of Snowden, as well as he, present him as a patriot, a defender of the constitution in the face of a spying apparatus which has lost its way. So I would think the last thing they'd want to do is present him and his associations as militant leftists. Therefore, if the assertion to add "a" is a kind of nod to leftist activism, that would seem to betray Snowden's expressed intent.

pekk 12y ago
It's a pretty rich comparison which doesn't have to be interpreted negatively (that is dependent on the observer). For example, the Sandinistas would likely see themselves as fighting Yankee imperialism and domestic supporters of the Sandinistas might have an angle of opposing CIA activity. Especially if you bring Assange into this, you really are at most a few hops of association away from the literal Sandinistas. Fitting the "Patriot / Constitution" image in there is a little awkward because of how those words have been appropriated by the far right wing, invoking patriotism is also a little awkward with respect to how much patronage from Russia et al. is involved here. I don't really care what the word ends up being but it would be convenient to have a compact word like "Snowdenista" and I'd appreciate it if the term isn't something pompous and not really indicative like "Patriotic Constitution-Supporter"
- mc32 12y ago
  I would have to argue against the thought that only people on the right can be 'patriots' Maybe it seems like they are more facile with the word, but people on the regular left aren't any less patriotic, at least in their minds, than people on the regular right. The far right, and perhaps far left, might misappropriate the word, but who cares, it does not take away from other people's patriotism. In my mind, the only viable defense for Snowden is a constitutional defense, else, it would enter treacherous territory, ie. he'd not then be defending citizen's rights, etc. but rather be exposing state secrets, as it were.
- Spooky23 12y ago
  You're mixing patriotism with nationalism. I'm a patriot because I love my country. I'm not a nationalist because I love my son.
sliverstorm 12y ago
His opponents usually take issue with his methods, and believe that his actions speak louder than words. They see his methods as anti-government rather than pro-Constitution.

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sliverstorm 12y ago

Probably because "ista" comes from Spanish, and many of the populist uprisings during the Cold War era happened in Spanish-speaking countries.

DonHopkins 12y ago

During the Reagan administration, the University of Maryland "Commie Co-Op" sold a delicious crispy triangular mince, potato, onion and pea filled pastry called a "Sandinista", which was the left-wing successor to the Samosa, a pun on Anastasio Somoza Debayle, the dictator of Nicaragua before the Sandinistas overthrew him. (Mr. Bane can verify that they were very yummy indeed! ;)

techtics 12y ago

Since it's Vogue they of course use it because of the popularity of the term "fashionista". Both -ist, in English, and -ista, in Spanish and other languages, comes from Latin. The English use of -ista do come from foreign groups, but the meaning is somewhat different. In English an -ist is generally someone who does something or holds a certain view, while a -ista is someone who supports or follows something. Artist - Someone who makes and/or performs art. Modista (in Spanish) - Some who makes clothes, i.e. a fashion designer. (Mod- means fashion in many languages). Fashionista - Someone who follows fashion. But more than anything, as I said "fashionista" -> "Snowdenista".