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a lot of young people will start to gravitate towards greener pastures This is already happening. The coffee shops, kiosks and warehouses in Denmark where I'm

by mixmax 12y ago

a lot of young people will start to gravitate towards greener pastures This is already happening. The coffee shops, kiosks and warehouses in Denmark where I'm from are packed with economical refugees from Southern Europe. The sad part is that the ones that leave are probably the most driven ones, and thus the ones the southern countries need in the future.

cylinder 12y ago
Well if the whole thing is a union, what does it matter? Americans don't stress about the smartest Floridians heading to New York for work. And there's the problem... you're either a union or you're not. Can't pick and choose which elements of union and sovereignty you want.
- dageshi 12y ago
  Any further EU integration, of the kind necessary to make it a functioning union will likely require referendums in many countries. More than that it will realistically signify the death knell of what was traditionally the nation states of europe. The public mood is not there for those to pass in many countries
  - cbd1984 12y ago
    > The public mood is not there for those to pass in many countries It will be once the next European war is over. America wasn't as unified as it is now until after the Civil War and the subsequent passage of Constitutional amendments to fully and finally not only abolish slavery, but to make sure freed blacks would be full citizens, despite what the states formerly in a state of rebellion thought about it.
- Gibbon1 12y ago
  However the European monetary union isn't a union like you see in the US or other huge countries. In the US we have probably 100-200 billion a year in transfer payments. Automatic stabilizers like social security and unemployment insurance, etc. And then we have a true central banking system Bank in Florida goes under, it's not Florida's problem it's the Federal Reserves problem. If a state isn't able to use currency exchange rates to control in flow and out flow of money then you need these types of things to keep the system stable. Europe doesn't. So you are indeed right about not being able to pick and choose. You can't take control of a counties currency away from them without guaranteeing that the central bank and government will have their back economically.
- fit2rule 12y ago
  These are transitionary days, the lines are being blurred. I would say that the bracket of folks who talk about these issues are not the same as those doing something about it - its far easier for a middle-aged, entrenched worker to get on the Internet and complain about these issues than it is to see the guys who are crossing borders and working in a new culture to break down the typically insular nature of contemporary European life. You can see this internationalization factor at very specific strata - however, as usual, the squeaky wheel gets the grease ..
pvaldes 12y ago
So your country is full of a lot of new smart, amicable and creative people now easing the ways to South-american markets to you. Well done, Denmark! I remember when we have here very nice, modest and that can only be called as "elegant" people from Ecuador for example. Not being ironic at all. Hard workers, very responsible and good people. > The sad part is that the ones that leave are probably the most driven ones, and thus the ones the southern countries need in the future. The current way of doing things by the euro-kings in Europe will most probably lead to a big chunk of land and economy in many southern european countries ending in the hands and future property of Russia, China or Saudi Arabia I guess... they could easily atract workers as needed. Don' worry by this.

by mixmax 12y ago

cylinder 12y ago

Well if the whole thing is a union, what does it matter? Americans don't stress about the smartest Floridians heading to New York for work. And there's the problem... you're either a union or you're not. Can't pick and choose which elements of union and sovereignty you want.

dageshi 12y ago
Any further EU integration, of the kind necessary to make it a functioning union will likely require referendums in many countries. More than that it will realistically signify the death knell of what was traditionally the nation states of europe. The public mood is not there for those to pass in many countries
- cbd1984 12y ago
  > The public mood is not there for those to pass in many countries It will be once the next European war is over. America wasn't as unified as it is now until after the Civil War and the subsequent passage of Constitutional amendments to fully and finally not only abolish slavery, but to make sure freed blacks would be full citizens, despite what the states formerly in a state of rebellion thought about it.
Gibbon1 12y ago
However the European monetary union isn't a union like you see in the US or other huge countries. In the US we have probably 100-200 billion a year in transfer payments. Automatic stabilizers like social security and unemployment insurance, etc. And then we have a true central banking system Bank in Florida goes under, it's not Florida's problem it's the Federal Reserves problem. If a state isn't able to use currency exchange rates to control in flow and out flow of money then you need these types of things to keep the system stable. Europe doesn't. So you are indeed right about not being able to pick and choose. You can't take control of a counties currency away from them without guaranteeing that the central bank and government will have their back economically.
fit2rule 12y ago
These are transitionary days, the lines are being blurred. I would say that the bracket of folks who talk about these issues are not the same as those doing something about it - its far easier for a middle-aged, entrenched worker to get on the Internet and complain about these issues than it is to see the guys who are crossing borders and working in a new culture to break down the typically insular nature of contemporary European life. You can see this internationalization factor at very specific strata - however, as usual, the squeaky wheel gets the grease ..

pvaldes 12y ago

So your country is full of a lot of new smart, amicable and creative people now easing the ways to South-american markets to you. Well done, Denmark! I remember when we have here very nice, modest and that can only be called as "elegant" people from Ecuador for example. Not being ironic at all. Hard workers, very responsible and good people. > The sad part is that the ones that leave are probably the most driven ones, and thus the ones the southern countries need in the future. The current way of doing things by the euro-kings in Europe will most probably lead to a big chunk of land and economy in many southern european countries ending in the hands and future property of Russia, China or Saudi Arabia I guess... they could easily atract workers as needed. Don' worry by this.