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I bet it's going to be linked to NSA, GCHQ and IDF in tomorrow's news paper.

jgrahamc 12y ago
Well, if you want to go down that path just visit the Komodia about page: http://www.komodia.com/about/ http://www.komodia.com/about/ Barak Weichselbaum founded Komodia, Inc. in 2000, following his military service as a programmer in the IDF’s Intelligence Core. But you don't need to worry about provenance to see that technically this is a scary thing to do.
- woodman 12y ago
  Conscription make the military service irrelevant.
  - leesalminen 12y ago
    When you join the military, either through conscription or of your own free will, their first job is to train you psychologically so that your beliefs are aligned with theirs. It usually works.
    - woodman 12y ago
      Yup, and it is a temporary effect - that is why there is a graduated rank structure. As the mental conditioning (to put it charitably) wears off, you are further removed from danger and positions where immediate obedience to orders is necessary.
  - rdtsc 12y ago
    > Conscription make the military service irrelevant. Consription in the IDF’s Intelligence Core doesn't
    - woodman 12y ago
      lol, first of all - it is corps, not core. Second, these are the same people that monitor cctv feeds of border fences - it isn't some elite unit of super hackers.
      - rdtsc 12y ago
        > lol, first of all - it is corps, not core You laughed out loud? That's good. You should tell Barak that, I just pasted his own statement: --- http://www.komodia.com/about/ http://www.komodia.com/about/ Barak Weichselbaum founded Komodia, Inc. in 2000, following his military service as a programmer in the IDF’s Intelligence Core. ---
        woodman 12y ago
        I did, the joke seems lost on you. Look, there is no such thing as "Intelligence Core". So your link, while it contains the same sequence of letters that you've regurgitated, is wrong. Either his time in the "Core" left so little an impression on him that he can't properly spell the name of the organization, or more likely the task was outsourced to somebody else to generate the copy (the two words are phonetically the same)... which also hints at relevance. I'll hear your apology now... or you can dig further and try to tell me how the "Core" is so ultra secret that blah blah blah. But before you do that, consider for a moment how invested in your position you are based on a single line of text on a shitty website - is that the extent of your critical thinking abilities? You're better than that, everybody is better than that :)
        michaelhoffman 12y ago
        Perhaps he usually referred to the Corps by its Hebrew name rather than an English translation.
        woodman 12y ago
        Nah, it was a copy writer. I don't know much arabic, but I know the correct translation for a lot of military words, including corps. I know that because it was once important to me, but 10 years later I can tell you that the Marine Corps has as much influence on my decisions now as the girlscouts of america :) That was the original point of this thread - addressing the silly idea that this spyware is somehow related to the IDF...
  - rabbyte 12y ago
    I would love to hear you explain your reasoning on this.
    - woodman 12y ago
      It seems to me that the burden of explanation should be on those that are pointing to this guy's military record as some sort of potential link to Israeli spy masters... but it isn't that complicated. If the majority of Israeli citizens are forced to render service to the military for a period of time, then using the flawed logic, all actions by Israeli citizens are attributable to the military. That is ridiculous. Some would agree to a point, but then shriek "IDF’s Intelligence Core". That is also ridiculous, as it is not some sort of elite group info sec pros - it is a very broad group of people flying desks. If this guy had been in a part of the US military (all volunteer, which shows disposition) that frequently gets loaned out to the CIA or NSA (Force recon, Delta, Seals, etc) then the concern would be reasonable, but that isn't the case here.
      - rabbyte 12y ago
        I don't think I can follow your reasoning. It sounds like you're saying the service record actually is relevant but only in some cases and it's not clear when that is except when it's obviously ridiculous. Did you mean to say his service might not be relevant?
        woodman 12y ago
        Hmm, I don't know how I could be any more clear - any further distillation would be repetitious. Consider the situation with an eye to formal logic: Catholicism doesn't allow for condoms. Most Irish are catholic. Therefor most Irish don't use condoms. The logic isn't sound. The conclusion might be true (I know nothing about Irish birth control), but the statement can't be logically proven given the proceeding input. The military spies. Most citizens are required to be in the military. Therefor most citizens are spies. Again, the logic doesn't follow and is obviously flawed.
        12y ago
  - jgrahamc 12y ago
    I agree. Many countries have mandatory military service. Hence the last line of my comment: it's not relevant to the technical problem here.

Well, if you want to go down that path just visit the Komodia about page: http://www.komodia.com/about/ http://www.komodia.com/about/ Barak Weichselbaum founded Komodia, Inc. in 2000, following his military service as a programmer in the IDF’s Intelligence Core. But you don't need to worry about provenance to see that technically this is a scary thing to do.

woodman 12y ago
Conscription make the military service irrelevant.
- leesalminen 12y ago
  When you join the military, either through conscription or of your own free will, their first job is to train you psychologically so that your beliefs are aligned with theirs. It usually works.
  - woodman 12y ago
    Yup, and it is a temporary effect - that is why there is a graduated rank structure. As the mental conditioning (to put it charitably) wears off, you are further removed from danger and positions where immediate obedience to orders is necessary.
- rdtsc 12y ago
  > Conscription make the military service irrelevant. Consription in the IDF’s Intelligence Core doesn't
  - woodman 12y ago
    lol, first of all - it is corps, not core. Second, these are the same people that monitor cctv feeds of border fences - it isn't some elite unit of super hackers.
    - rdtsc 12y ago
      > lol, first of all - it is corps, not core You laughed out loud? That's good. You should tell Barak that, I just pasted his own statement: --- http://www.komodia.com/about/ http://www.komodia.com/about/ Barak Weichselbaum founded Komodia, Inc. in 2000, following his military service as a programmer in the IDF’s Intelligence Core. ---
      - woodman 12y ago
        I did, the joke seems lost on you. Look, there is no such thing as "Intelligence Core". So your link, while it contains the same sequence of letters that you've regurgitated, is wrong. Either his time in the "Core" left so little an impression on him that he can't properly spell the name of the organization, or more likely the task was outsourced to somebody else to generate the copy (the two words are phonetically the same)... which also hints at relevance. I'll hear your apology now... or you can dig further and try to tell me how the "Core" is so ultra secret that blah blah blah. But before you do that, consider for a moment how invested in your position you are based on a single line of text on a shitty website - is that the extent of your critical thinking abilities? You're better than that, everybody is better than that :)
        michaelhoffman 12y ago
        Perhaps he usually referred to the Corps by its Hebrew name rather than an English translation.
        woodman 12y ago
        Nah, it was a copy writer. I don't know much arabic, but I know the correct translation for a lot of military words, including corps. I know that because it was once important to me, but 10 years later I can tell you that the Marine Corps has as much influence on my decisions now as the girlscouts of america :) That was the original point of this thread - addressing the silly idea that this spyware is somehow related to the IDF...
- rabbyte 12y ago
  I would love to hear you explain your reasoning on this.
  - woodman 12y ago
    It seems to me that the burden of explanation should be on those that are pointing to this guy's military record as some sort of potential link to Israeli spy masters... but it isn't that complicated. If the majority of Israeli citizens are forced to render service to the military for a period of time, then using the flawed logic, all actions by Israeli citizens are attributable to the military. That is ridiculous. Some would agree to a point, but then shriek "IDF’s Intelligence Core". That is also ridiculous, as it is not some sort of elite group info sec pros - it is a very broad group of people flying desks. If this guy had been in a part of the US military (all volunteer, which shows disposition) that frequently gets loaned out to the CIA or NSA (Force recon, Delta, Seals, etc) then the concern would be reasonable, but that isn't the case here.
    - rabbyte 12y ago
      I don't think I can follow your reasoning. It sounds like you're saying the service record actually is relevant but only in some cases and it's not clear when that is except when it's obviously ridiculous. Did you mean to say his service might not be relevant?
      - woodman 12y ago
        Hmm, I don't know how I could be any more clear - any further distillation would be repetitious. Consider the situation with an eye to formal logic: Catholicism doesn't allow for condoms. Most Irish are catholic. Therefor most Irish don't use condoms. The logic isn't sound. The conclusion might be true (I know nothing about Irish birth control), but the statement can't be logically proven given the proceeding input. The military spies. Most citizens are required to be in the military. Therefor most citizens are spies. Again, the logic doesn't follow and is obviously flawed.
        12y ago
- jgrahamc 12y ago
  I agree. Many countries have mandatory military service. Hence the last line of my comment: it's not relevant to the technical problem here.