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> 1 year? 5 years? Never. Like IPv6, HTTP/2 is a broken standard that doesn't solve any problems. The problem with the Web isn't a lack of out-of-order reque

> 1 year? 5 years? Never. Like IPv6, HTTP/2 is a broken standard that doesn't solve any problems. The problem with the Web isn't a lack of out-of-order requests, the problem with the Web are those horrible ever-present Javascript frameworks. (Likewise, the problem with IPv4 isn't a lack of address space, the problem with IPv4 is a lack of a standard and simple way for managing VPNs and tunnels. I don't want my lightbulbs to be connected to the global Internet. What I _do_ want is a way to tunnel remotely and securely into my home's LAN and control the lightbulbs from the inside.)

dragonwriter 12y ago
> The problem with the Web isn't a lack of out-of-order requests, the problem with the Web are those horrible ever-present Javascript frameworks. To the extent that's a problem with the web (its hardly as if the web can only have one problem), that's the domain that progressive HTML (and JS) standards can address (and are addressing.) The more core HTML does, the less JS you need, the more core JS does, the less framework you need when you need JS at all.
mister_m 12y ago
Not to be rude, but I honestly am unable to determine if you are being sarcastic.
kingmanaz 12y ago
>The problem with the Web isn't a lack of out-of-order requests, the problem with the Web are those horrible ever-present Javascript frameworks. Agreed. Javascript should become web assembly, evolving into an intermediate language which other languages are compiled to. Callback heavy code is a huge barrier to entry for people that want to get things done with the web. Likewise, the industry hasn't been satisfied with the framework abstractions built on such a model (hence the constant, near daily flux in framework fads). It's been said here before that the web needs to consult TCL's ~25 year old TK framework for guidence on how a simple GUI framework can be accomplished without OO. Programming TK is akin to "heaping up" a shell script from small components. Anyone can do it, and they needn't resort to the sophistry of FactoryFactories et. al. http://www.tkdocs.com/tutorial/ http://www.tkdocs.com/tutorial/
- teknologist 12y ago
  Callbacks? Who uses those? You clearly know SO MUCH about this subject
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  - kingmanaz 12y ago
    >Callbacks? Who uses those? ...your preferred javascript framework.

dragonwriter 12y ago

> The problem with the Web isn't a lack of out-of-order requests, the problem with the Web are those horrible ever-present Javascript frameworks. To the extent that's a problem with the web (its hardly as if the web can only have one problem), that's the domain that progressive HTML (and JS) standards can address (and are addressing.) The more core HTML does, the less JS you need, the more core JS does, the less framework you need when you need JS at all.

mister_m 12y ago

Not to be rude, but I honestly am unable to determine if you are being sarcastic.

kingmanaz 12y ago

>The problem with the Web isn't a lack of out-of-order requests, the problem with the Web are those horrible ever-present Javascript frameworks. Agreed. Javascript should become web assembly, evolving into an intermediate language which other languages are compiled to. Callback heavy code is a huge barrier to entry for people that want to get things done with the web. Likewise, the industry hasn't been satisfied with the framework abstractions built on such a model (hence the constant, near daily flux in framework fads). It's been said here before that the web needs to consult TCL's ~25 year old TK framework for guidence on how a simple GUI framework can be accomplished without OO. Programming TK is akin to "heaping up" a shell script from small components. Anyone can do it, and they needn't resort to the sophistry of FactoryFactories et. al. http://www.tkdocs.com/tutorial/ http://www.tkdocs.com/tutorial/

teknologist 12y ago
Callbacks? Who uses those? You clearly know SO MUCH about this subject
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- kingmanaz 12y ago
  >Callbacks? Who uses those? ...your preferred javascript framework.