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> Where do you see hate against capitalists in Marx works? The need for proletarian revolution. And I am talking about marxism, not Marx works. Marx himself mo

by jkot 12y ago

> Where do you see hate against capitalists in Marx works? The need for proletarian revolution. And I am talking about marxism, not Marx works. Marx himself mostly hated local socialists (they wanted practical stuff and found him ridiculous). > Not past the October "revolution". The Bolsheviks played with it as long as it suited them... Bunch of guys have this bible about how revolution is necessary, how it will solve everything, and how heaven on earth is coming. And when majority disagree with them, they just apologize, step down, and quietly leave to deserted island to build their version of Utopia alone? > After he had murdered and exiled the opposition in his own party, yes. Which against followed the murder and exile and prohibition of Marxist and other socialist groups years earlier. Personality cult raised in every soviet country. It is very convenient to blame everything on single person and not on the system itself. If anything famous Trockij loved 'doing paper work' even more than Stalin. > Maybe whomever downvoted could bother replying I upvoted and hate this on HN as well.

masklinn 12y ago
> And I am talking about marxism, not Marx works. Why did you call jwdunne's distinction between Marx's theories and marxism a "no true scotsman" when you're making the exact same difference?
kungfooguru 12y ago
If it wasn't clear from your earlier comments it is now that if you have read any Marx you didn't understand it. > Marx himself mostly hated local socialists (they wanted practical stuff and found him ridiculous). HAH! That is the complete opposite: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1875/gotha/ https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1875/gotha/ https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1880/05/parti-ouvrier.htm https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1880/05/parti-ou... 'Accusing Guesde and Lafargue of “revolutionary phrase-mongering” and of denying the value of reformist struggles, Marx made his famous remark that, if their politics represented Marxism, “ce qu'il y a de certain c'est que moi, je ne suis pas Marxiste” (“what is certain is that I myself am not a Marxist”).'

by jkot 12y ago

masklinn 12y ago

> And I am talking about marxism, not Marx works. Why did you call jwdunne's distinction between Marx's theories and marxism a "no true scotsman" when you're making the exact same difference?

kungfooguru 12y ago

If it wasn't clear from your earlier comments it is now that if you have read any Marx you didn't understand it. > Marx himself mostly hated local socialists (they wanted practical stuff and found him ridiculous). HAH! That is the complete opposite: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1875/gotha/ https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1875/gotha/ https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1880/05/parti-ouvrier.htm https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1880/05/parti-ou... 'Accusing Guesde and Lafargue of “revolutionary phrase-mongering” and of denying the value of reformist struggles, Marx made his famous remark that, if their politics represented Marxism, “ce qu'il y a de certain c'est que moi, je ne suis pas Marxiste” (“what is certain is that I myself am not a Marxist”).'