> , I think its fair to say the U.S. won in Iraq and Afghanistan as they are now governed by friendly democracies... With wins like these, who needs loses. The

> , I think its fair to say the U.S. won in Iraq and Afghanistan as they are now governed by friendly democracies... With wins like these, who needs loses. The US army and state department failed to deliver tangible political product. End of story. Both places are a total mess and the world is more dangerous because of that. You can lose a war, without losing a single combat, if you fail to deliver on your objectives.