7 ms·

Once again, we see the terrible effects of there being not enough technical talent here in the United States. As we are constantly told by the VCs and large te

Once again, we see the terrible effects of there being not enough technical talent here in the United States. As we are constantly told by the VCs and large tech firms, we need to open up the green card immigration program to allow developers in who will do the jobs that Americans just won't do. Like, for example, being a full stack web developer who does QA, customer support and data scrubbing for 12 bucks an hour while living in one of America's most expensive cities. /s

RoryH 12y ago
Same shit different country (Ireland)... this is very much an international problem, and the reason why software is a good career choice IMO.
- trentmb 12y ago
  > and the reason why software is a good career choice IMO. I wouldn't know, I can't even get an entry level gig.
  - ch4s3 12y ago
    If you don't mind me asking, where are you located and what is your general skill set? Do you do web dev? Are you self taught?
    - jeffreyhamby 12y ago
      Follow his profile, you'll end up here https://www.linkedin.com/in/trentbradley https://www.linkedin.com/in/trentbradley
    - deleted 12y ago
      [deleted]
andrewstuart2 12y ago
I do agree with you, but to be fair, this is only a single post, likely from some company that either has no idea what they're doing or is deliberately interested in exploiting someone in desperate need of a job.
- deleted 12y ago
  [deleted]
- johnnyfaehell 12y ago
  If you look at their web sites, they're clearly used to crappy developers so they'll think this is the norm.
- ibebrett 12y ago
  They clearly know what they are doing. They definitely need people with prolog experience
- georgemcbay 12y ago
  I'm pretty sure nobody who fits a quarter of their qualifications is in desperate need of a job. Of course, this is almost certainly a situation where the person writing the job description has absolutely no idea what they actually need so they took a very bizarre shotgun approach.
deleted 12y ago
[deleted]
mehrzad 12y ago
I get you're being sarcastic, but I've heard that immigration doesn't actually have an deliberate effect on wages.
- rb2k_ 12y ago
  The H1B that is mostly talked about when it comes to IT jobs and imimgration requires companies to pay at least the prevailing wage for the area in question. So on average, it should either have wages stay the same OR raise them a tiny bit
  - Lawtonfogle 12y ago
    In theory this works. In practice, jobs are misclassified and the relationship is otherwise abused in the employer's favor.
  - imjustsaying 12y ago
    The prevailing wage necessarily goes down when the labor supply is increased. This is literally learned on Day 1 of Introduction to Microeconomics.
    - innguest 12y ago
      On what day of class do they prove that "Microeconomics" is a Science? Would you care to demonstrate that? I'm just asking because you're making an appeal to something in that argument, and I'm curious if you're appealing to a serious scientific field of study, or something passing for one. Karl Popper said falsifiability is an essential feature of any scientific theory, so it's not weird to ask for a falsifiable statement from "Microeconomics" so that we can tell whether it's a scientific theory. Mind you, I don't disagree with your conclusion that prevailing wages go down when labor supply is increased. What I am asking is whether "Microeconomics" is a science.
    - rb2k_ 12y ago
      They are talking about a free market. This is heavily government regulated.
harkyns_castle 12y ago
Think we have it in Aussie, the 417 ? visa, whereby you can undercut locals with very, very shit talent. These guys should hit them up.
ChuckMcM 12y ago
I've always wondered if you respond and say "Well I could do this for you but it would be $87.50 an hour." if they would respond. A friend of mine who ran a consulting business would do something like that and picked up a few gigs that way.
- HeyLaughingBoy 12y ago
  I tried this on RentACoder a few times. Response was either <crickets> or a polite "no, thank you." I usually only responded to EE hardware or firmware gigs.

RoryH 12y ago

Same shit different country (Ireland)... this is very much an international problem, and the reason why software is a good career choice IMO.

trentmb 12y ago
> and the reason why software is a good career choice IMO. I wouldn't know, I can't even get an entry level gig.
- ch4s3 12y ago
  If you don't mind me asking, where are you located and what is your general skill set? Do you do web dev? Are you self taught?
  - jeffreyhamby 12y ago
    Follow his profile, you'll end up here https://www.linkedin.com/in/trentbradley https://www.linkedin.com/in/trentbradley
  - deleted 12y ago
    [deleted]

andrewstuart2 12y ago

I do agree with you, but to be fair, this is only a single post, likely from some company that either has no idea what they're doing or is deliberately interested in exploiting someone in desperate need of a job.

deleted 12y ago
[deleted]
johnnyfaehell 12y ago
If you look at their web sites, they're clearly used to crappy developers so they'll think this is the norm.
ibebrett 12y ago
They clearly know what they are doing. They definitely need people with prolog experience
georgemcbay 12y ago
I'm pretty sure nobody who fits a quarter of their qualifications is in desperate need of a job. Of course, this is almost certainly a situation where the person writing the job description has absolutely no idea what they actually need so they took a very bizarre shotgun approach.

deleted 12y ago

[deleted]

mehrzad 12y ago

I get you're being sarcastic, but I've heard that immigration doesn't actually have an deliberate effect on wages.

rb2k_ 12y ago
The H1B that is mostly talked about when it comes to IT jobs and imimgration requires companies to pay at least the prevailing wage for the area in question. So on average, it should either have wages stay the same OR raise them a tiny bit
- Lawtonfogle 12y ago
  In theory this works. In practice, jobs are misclassified and the relationship is otherwise abused in the employer's favor.
- imjustsaying 12y ago
  The prevailing wage necessarily goes down when the labor supply is increased. This is literally learned on Day 1 of Introduction to Microeconomics.
  - innguest 12y ago
    On what day of class do they prove that "Microeconomics" is a Science? Would you care to demonstrate that? I'm just asking because you're making an appeal to something in that argument, and I'm curious if you're appealing to a serious scientific field of study, or something passing for one. Karl Popper said falsifiability is an essential feature of any scientific theory, so it's not weird to ask for a falsifiable statement from "Microeconomics" so that we can tell whether it's a scientific theory. Mind you, I don't disagree with your conclusion that prevailing wages go down when labor supply is increased. What I am asking is whether "Microeconomics" is a science.
  - rb2k_ 12y ago
    They are talking about a free market. This is heavily government regulated.

harkyns_castle 12y ago

Think we have it in Aussie, the 417 ? visa, whereby you can undercut locals with very, very shit talent. These guys should hit them up.

ChuckMcM 12y ago

I've always wondered if you respond and say "Well I could do this for you but it would be $87.50 an hour." if they would respond. A friend of mine who ran a consulting business would do something like that and picked up a few gigs that way.

HeyLaughingBoy 12y ago
I tried this on RentACoder a few times. Response was either <crickets> or a polite "no, thank you." I usually only responded to EE hardware or firmware gigs.