The developers are not racist. My entire original point is their attitudes and intents were irrelevant. The system they created is very much racist, completely

The developers are not racist. My entire original point is their attitudes and intents were irrelevant. The system they created is very much racist, completely independent about how they felt in creating it; I'm not sure how you can really dispute that. The venerable Jay Smooth describes a closely-related distinction here[0]. Also, when you describe a system as racist that's somewhat different from describing a person as racist, which might be a place we're talking past each other. Re: the culture/race/ethnicity terminology quagmire, the sister comment by dragonwriter explains it well. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0Ti-gkJiXc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0Ti-gkJiXc