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Microsoft a forerunner on global privacy. .NET open sourced and (soon) running on Linux and Mac. Things certainly do change.

itsbits 12y ago
how are privacy and opensource related??
- jameshart 12y ago
  Neither is a word which you would have associated with Microsoft ten years ago. An example for you: Microsoft used to have an identity service called 'Passport'. They wanted to make it into a universal login, along the lines of Google ID or Facebook logins today. They created a whole suite of related services, codenamed 'Hailstorm', which they tried to bring to market under the terrible name of ".NET MyServices". And they failed because the universal reaction of the world was that they were not prepared to trust Microsoft with their privacy. (see, e.g. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/12/17/net_my_services_gone_but/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/12/17/net_my_services_gone...)
- fysac 12y ago
  You can't have a reasonable assurance of privacy unless your software is open source.
  - gizmogwai 12y ago
    Going that direction, one could argue that what you open source might not be what you are running in production.
    - fysac 12y ago
      Right, you can never be 100% certain it's the same code. But it's a valuable "good faith" step that sets a level of trust between the users and developers.
  - Spivak 12y ago
    And that software is running on a machine that you own and control with verified open firmware running on open hardware with no known security vulnerabilities, with strong encryption on the drive and a locked bios, and not connected to any network (including the internet) where all the devices on that network satisfy the previous conditions. If any of these are not met then you are trusting someone else with your privacy.
okasaki 12y ago
Oh they're a forerunner that's for sure. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/Prism_slide_5.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/Prism_sl...
- junto 12y ago
  To be fair to Microsoft, they are fighting these requests, especially when it comes to requests outside US jurisdiction: https://www.eff.org/press/releases/eff-court-us-warrants-dont-apply-overseas-emails https://www.eff.org/press/releases/eff-court-us-warrants-don...
  - okasaki 12y ago
    On the contrary, they're the most enthusiastic and willing participant http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/12/us/report-indicates-more-extensive-cooperation-by-microsoft-on-surveillance.html?_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/12/us/report-indicates-more-e...
cm2187 12y ago
And quickly. This was not that long ago: http://recode.net/2014/03/20/microsoft-says-will-tighten-its-policies-for-searching-hotmail-outlook-com/ http://recode.net/2014/03/20/microsoft-says-will-tighten-its... (I particularly liked their reference to their customer's emails as Microsoft's "own emails and customer services" and that searching their customer's data is "searching ourselves").
asuffield 12y ago
Forerunner? It's a cut down version of https://cloud.google.com/terms/data-processing-terms https://cloud.google.com/terms/data-processing-terms which has been in place for quite some time. (Tedious disclaimer: my opinion, not my employers. Not representing anybody other than myself. I work at Google, not on cloud, although I routinely fire my nerf gun at people who do)
- yummybear 12y ago
  It wasn't a jab at competitors, neither an attempt to make MS seem like /the/ forerunner. Just to say that it's definately a different MS we're seeing.

itsbits 12y ago

how are privacy and opensource related??

jameshart 12y ago
Neither is a word which you would have associated with Microsoft ten years ago. An example for you: Microsoft used to have an identity service called 'Passport'. They wanted to make it into a universal login, along the lines of Google ID or Facebook logins today. They created a whole suite of related services, codenamed 'Hailstorm', which they tried to bring to market under the terrible name of ".NET MyServices". And they failed because the universal reaction of the world was that they were not prepared to trust Microsoft with their privacy. (see, e.g. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/12/17/net_my_services_gone_but/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/12/17/net_my_services_gone...)
fysac 12y ago
You can't have a reasonable assurance of privacy unless your software is open source.
- gizmogwai 12y ago
  Going that direction, one could argue that what you open source might not be what you are running in production.
  - fysac 12y ago
    Right, you can never be 100% certain it's the same code. But it's a valuable "good faith" step that sets a level of trust between the users and developers.
- Spivak 12y ago
  And that software is running on a machine that you own and control with verified open firmware running on open hardware with no known security vulnerabilities, with strong encryption on the drive and a locked bios, and not connected to any network (including the internet) where all the devices on that network satisfy the previous conditions. If any of these are not met then you are trusting someone else with your privacy.

okasaki 12y ago

Oh they're a forerunner that's for sure. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/Prism_slide_5.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/Prism_sl...

junto 12y ago
To be fair to Microsoft, they are fighting these requests, especially when it comes to requests outside US jurisdiction: https://www.eff.org/press/releases/eff-court-us-warrants-dont-apply-overseas-emails https://www.eff.org/press/releases/eff-court-us-warrants-don...
- okasaki 12y ago
  On the contrary, they're the most enthusiastic and willing participant http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/12/us/report-indicates-more-extensive-cooperation-by-microsoft-on-surveillance.html?_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/12/us/report-indicates-more-e...

cm2187 12y ago

And quickly. This was not that long ago: http://recode.net/2014/03/20/microsoft-says-will-tighten-its-policies-for-searching-hotmail-outlook-com/ http://recode.net/2014/03/20/microsoft-says-will-tighten-its... (I particularly liked their reference to their customer's emails as Microsoft's "own emails and customer services" and that searching their customer's data is "searching ourselves").

asuffield 12y ago

Forerunner? It's a cut down version of https://cloud.google.com/terms/data-processing-terms https://cloud.google.com/terms/data-processing-terms which has been in place for quite some time. (Tedious disclaimer: my opinion, not my employers. Not representing anybody other than myself. I work at Google, not on cloud, although I routinely fire my nerf gun at people who do)

yummybear 12y ago
It wasn't a jab at competitors, neither an attempt to make MS seem like /the/ forerunner. Just to say that it's definately a different MS we're seeing.