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You may just have to live with the fact that there's no way to interrogate her account without sounding like a creep. Similarly, there's no way to question sat

You may just have to live with the fact that there's no way to interrogate her account without sounding like a creep. Similarly, there's no way to question satanic cults without sounding like you don't care about the children being ritually molested. Or no way to criticize MADD without sounding like you support drunk driving. And there's no way to question accusations of witchcraft without sounding like a witch. The blind acceptance of a moral panic is definitely scary. I'm pleasantly surprised to see you calling it out on this topic. getting

tptacek 12y ago
When the best example you can come up with of someone being railroaded by outrage is this guy: https://www.dropbox.com/s/rw50uko2nl5aoj2/Screenshot%202015-02-16%2011.57.12.png?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/rw50uko2nl5aoj2/Screenshot%202015-... --- which, seriously, is actually the last example you provided of someone getting railroaded by outrage --- ... I think it's fair to call shenanigans on the idea that we're in a "moral panic". Of course, your comment wasn't germane to mine, either; it was an attempt to change the subject. The comment to which you responded doesn't even engage gender --- it doesn't even mention it. It's a smokescreen, which you're throwing up as another attempt to discredit the story.
- yummyfajitas 12y ago
  You keep citing that quote of Dickinson without acknowledging the context: "You look like a fucking pig in heat, and if you get raped by a pack of niggers, it will be your fault." - Mel Gibson, Director of "Passion of the Christ", shortly before Pax Dickinson's tweet See also Justine Sacco, who mocked clueless attitudes and was assumed to be supporting them. I stand by my example. All Pax Dickinson did was express views and mood affiliation that goes against the dominant narrative. You haven't even claimed he did anything else. Justine Sacco didn't even go against the dominant narrative, she was just misinterpreted as doing so.
  - tptacek 12y ago
    Just so we're clear that your model of a person victimized by the attention being paid to sexual harassment and gender parity is Pax Dickinson. I'm not sure your best rhetorical strategy here was "doubling down", by the way. And also: I don't think I've ever mentioned that quote before.
    - yummyfajitas 12y ago
      I'll repeat for a third time: I stand by my characterization of Dickinson as a person who hasn't even been accused of sexual harassment, harming gender parity or anything else at all besides disagreeing with our politically correct elites. You are right that it wasn't you who mentioned that particular quote. We were thinking of the same discussion, though it was someone else who brought that one up: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8169903 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8169903 Both there and here, you seem to have this unwavering belief that Pax Dickinson has done something horribly wrong, yet you seem unwilling to state what that is. It's a bit confusing. I have absolutely no idea what argument you are trying to make.
      - tptacek 12y ago
        I do not think Pax Dickinson did something "horribly wrong". I think he was fired for cause, and that firing was legitimate: as a public-facing officer of a relatively PR-dependent company, he exhibited gross incompetence. Being fired is not the end of the world. Which is, of course, my point: your best example of someone railroaded by outrage is someone fired for incompetence. The point is that you don't have much evidence for there being any kind of moral panic, because there isn't much evidence of any kind of panic.
    - mnemonicsloth 12y ago
      What about the UVA rape case? Fabricated story, targeted a fraternity, lots of extralegal unpleasantness. Throughout, the hounding of those young men was carried out by people serenely confident that they were acting to protect young women's sexual freedom. Julian Sanchez has a nice write-up of a similar discussion: http://www.juliansanchez.com/2015/01/27/chait-speech/ http://www.juliansanchez.com/2015/01/27/chait-speech/

tptacek 12y ago

When the best example you can come up with of someone being railroaded by outrage is this guy: https://www.dropbox.com/s/rw50uko2nl5aoj2/Screenshot%202015-02-16%2011.57.12.png?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/rw50uko2nl5aoj2/Screenshot%202015-... --- which, seriously, is actually the last example you provided of someone getting railroaded by outrage --- ... I think it's fair to call shenanigans on the idea that we're in a "moral panic". Of course, your comment wasn't germane to mine, either; it was an attempt to change the subject. The comment to which you responded doesn't even engage gender --- it doesn't even mention it. It's a smokescreen, which you're throwing up as another attempt to discredit the story.

yummyfajitas 12y ago
You keep citing that quote of Dickinson without acknowledging the context: "You look like a fucking pig in heat, and if you get raped by a pack of niggers, it will be your fault." - Mel Gibson, Director of "Passion of the Christ", shortly before Pax Dickinson's tweet See also Justine Sacco, who mocked clueless attitudes and was assumed to be supporting them. I stand by my example. All Pax Dickinson did was express views and mood affiliation that goes against the dominant narrative. You haven't even claimed he did anything else. Justine Sacco didn't even go against the dominant narrative, she was just misinterpreted as doing so.
- tptacek 12y ago
  Just so we're clear that your model of a person victimized by the attention being paid to sexual harassment and gender parity is Pax Dickinson. I'm not sure your best rhetorical strategy here was "doubling down", by the way. And also: I don't think I've ever mentioned that quote before.
  - yummyfajitas 12y ago
    I'll repeat for a third time: I stand by my characterization of Dickinson as a person who hasn't even been accused of sexual harassment, harming gender parity or anything else at all besides disagreeing with our politically correct elites. You are right that it wasn't you who mentioned that particular quote. We were thinking of the same discussion, though it was someone else who brought that one up: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8169903 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8169903 Both there and here, you seem to have this unwavering belief that Pax Dickinson has done something horribly wrong, yet you seem unwilling to state what that is. It's a bit confusing. I have absolutely no idea what argument you are trying to make.
    - tptacek 12y ago
      I do not think Pax Dickinson did something "horribly wrong". I think he was fired for cause, and that firing was legitimate: as a public-facing officer of a relatively PR-dependent company, he exhibited gross incompetence. Being fired is not the end of the world. Which is, of course, my point: your best example of someone railroaded by outrage is someone fired for incompetence. The point is that you don't have much evidence for there being any kind of moral panic, because there isn't much evidence of any kind of panic.
  - mnemonicsloth 12y ago
    What about the UVA rape case? Fabricated story, targeted a fraternity, lots of extralegal unpleasantness. Throughout, the hounding of those young men was carried out by people serenely confident that they were acting to protect young women's sexual freedom. Julian Sanchez has a nice write-up of a similar discussion: http://www.juliansanchez.com/2015/01/27/chait-speech/ http://www.juliansanchez.com/2015/01/27/chait-speech/