>Ah I see, you consider the current PoS systems that rely on getting the initial state for a new client from some trusted source to be "centralized". No, that

>Ah I see, you consider the current PoS systems that rely on getting the initial state for a new client from some trusted source to be "centralized". No, that component is just broken. If anyone trusted is a bad actor and gives you a bad blockchain, you are not in consensus, thus any system using this cannot be considered a consensus system. The centralization I was referring to was other mechanisms commonly employed by PoS systems. >Though you'd probably argue there's no debate, because someone disagreeing with your position isn't a "real researcher". No, someone not doing real research isn't a real researcher. Someone who understands consensus and security (not Vitelik) and creates a paper describing a system and its security model clearly is a real researcher. It isn't my fault that that hasn't happened yet.