You didn't answer to any of my points. Let me briefly address some of your rambling. (a) "gradual de-industrialization of Greece and the changes to agriculture

You didn't answer to any of my points. Let me briefly address some of your rambling. (a) "gradual de-industrialization of Greece and the changes to agriculture imposed by EU directives" That's wishful thinking. Can you point to the EU directives that deindustrialised Greece? You mean all the billions and billions that the EU gave Greece to modernise and to build up a working administration? (b) "In the EU, we see Germany pushing for them constantly." No you don't. You see Germany slowing down the US who are the chief driver behind sanctions against Russia. Germany has major economical interests in Russia. Germany has also got to accommodate US demands, after all the US is still occupying Germany. Finally, it is worth noting that the German chancellor grew up under Soviet occupation. Please inform yourself about the facts rather than mindlessly reciting Syriza propaganda. (c) "I'm saying, the legitimate government of Ukraine was toppled to be replaced with some pro-West-interests friendly" This is not the time and place to discuss what is going on in Ukraine. Let's just say that what you write here is indistinguishable from what the Kremlin says. (d) "So?" My salient point (that you did not address) was that plenty of countries started from a much worse place than Greece and are doing much better after a couple of years. Go to South Korea some time ... Maybe look at your neighbour Turkey and see their stunning economic development. (e) "(whereas Greece had around 1.5 million Greek populate living under Turkish occupation in Asia Minor that it tried to liberate" Look what you are doing here: you justify greek imperialism and racist wars, conveniently forgetting that lots of people living in Anatolia were not Greek and had no intention of being governed by Greece. Most countries have some of their citizens living in neighbouring territory, so what you are doing here is legitimising invading your neighbours. (f) "But even if it wasn't so, your example would just mean that the Greeks also owe to Turks, not that Germans don't owe to the Greeks for what they've done." As has been pointed out before, and is widely known by anybody with interest in this subject, Germany paid reparations a long time ago. This has all been formalised in contracts with the allied occupiers. If you think Greece didn't get enough, please address the occupiers in charge, i.e. the US, the UK, France, and the Soviet Union. (g) "Mostly thanks to being the new darlings of the West, in a cold war ploy against USSR/East Germany Europe. Not exactly "left to their own devices" and with hard work, as the myth says." You are channeling that odious Varoufakis guy. If you / he really belived that, then the rational thing to do would be to go to Washington (or rather the CIA headquater in Langley, where Varoufakis claims such decisions are taken) and ask for Greece to be the new darling ... and magically Greece will become the new Switzerland / Singapore. Neither you nor Varoufakis do this. In Varoufakis case that's because he doesn't believe this -- it's just easily consumed propaganda for dumb voters, in your case ... (h) "Greece went under financial supervision as a result of exactly that." Greece didn't pay Turkey for Greece's war of imperialist agression. So your moral position is that you expect others to do what you yourself are not willing to do. (i) "Germany with its already high exports had tried to deny any policy to weaken the Euro for ages, hurting EU countries with less fortunate import/export ratios." You clealy don't understand macro-economics. A weakened Euro helps Germany more, because Germany exports more. A weakened Euro makese German products more competitive. That aside, Greece doesn't export much to speak of to non-Euro countries. (j) "I mean that German companies, like Siemens" I still don't see your point. According to http://www.transparency.org http://www.transparency.org Greece is a lot more corrupt than Germany. You could find numerous Greek companies and individuals doing dodgy things with their money ... how much tax are greek shipping magnates paying again? In essence you are following Syriza, and whipping up racism (in this case anti-Germanism) so as not to address your own problems. It's a well-known pattern of behviour.