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Well it really depends if by NYC you refer to the whole of NYC or to Manhattan. I think you're right when comparing to the whole of NYC, but since most jobs are

by joesmo 12y ago

Well it really depends if by NYC you refer to the whole of NYC or to Manhattan. I think you're right when comparing to the whole of NYC, but since most jobs are in Manhattan, and Manhattan is still more expensive than SF, then it doesn't make sense that jobs in Manhattan are not paying as well.

busterarm 12y ago
Young people don't really want to live in Manhattan anymore though and neither do young families. Brooklyn is way too hip and Manhattan isn't enough space. Everyday expenses, like food, are still quite a bit cheaper in Manhattan than SF. Even if it's just an issue of tax rates.
- solve 12y ago
  Confirming that Manhattan is both much cheaper or more expensive... depending on how you live. Manhattan, with their rent control laws, has one of the most bi-modal distributions of cost of living, probably in the world. Doesn't really make sense when people talk about Manhattan as if there's only one way to live there. Tons of people still live the broke artist lifestyle there for very cheap -- although you'll have to be willing to have apartment mates and technically bend a few laws.
  - busterarm 12y ago
    Agreed. I'm profoundly lucky to have the rent controlled apartment in Manhattan that I can live in by myself (moving back there very soon). I just can't do roommates anymore at my age and I can't do that lifestyle much more either. If I didn't have this available I think I'd be looking for work in the midwest or south instead. That lifestyle is just necessity though, not really a "broke artist" thing anymore. New York's bohemian culture (and it was probably the last city to really have one) packed up and moved on a long time ago: In the late 80s/early 90s or after 9/11, depending on who you ask. What we've seen since is really just a poor facsimile.
walshemj 12y ago
I think NYC has better public transport like London - making commuting feasible. eg I work a 500m from St Pauls on the banks of the Thames but I don't live in the City its self.
untog 12y ago
But the NYC subway renders that far less important. I have always worked in Manhattan, and never lived there. The level to which the subways open up the city cannot be underestimated (but investment in the subways can, and is, always undervalued)

by joesmo 12y ago

busterarm 12y ago

Young people don't really want to live in Manhattan anymore though and neither do young families. Brooklyn is way too hip and Manhattan isn't enough space. Everyday expenses, like food, are still quite a bit cheaper in Manhattan than SF. Even if it's just an issue of tax rates.

solve 12y ago
Confirming that Manhattan is both much cheaper or more expensive... depending on how you live. Manhattan, with their rent control laws, has one of the most bi-modal distributions of cost of living, probably in the world. Doesn't really make sense when people talk about Manhattan as if there's only one way to live there. Tons of people still live the broke artist lifestyle there for very cheap -- although you'll have to be willing to have apartment mates and technically bend a few laws.
- busterarm 12y ago
  Agreed. I'm profoundly lucky to have the rent controlled apartment in Manhattan that I can live in by myself (moving back there very soon). I just can't do roommates anymore at my age and I can't do that lifestyle much more either. If I didn't have this available I think I'd be looking for work in the midwest or south instead. That lifestyle is just necessity though, not really a "broke artist" thing anymore. New York's bohemian culture (and it was probably the last city to really have one) packed up and moved on a long time ago: In the late 80s/early 90s or after 9/11, depending on who you ask. What we've seen since is really just a poor facsimile.

walshemj 12y ago

I think NYC has better public transport like London - making commuting feasible. eg I work a 500m from St Pauls on the banks of the Thames but I don't live in the City its self.

untog 12y ago

But the NYC subway renders that far less important. I have always worked in Manhattan, and never lived there. The level to which the subways open up the city cannot be underestimated (but investment in the subways can, and is, always undervalued)