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I don't have any insightful macroeconomic explanation to offer. Just my $0.02: if you are complaining about earning $80,000 to sit behind a computer screen and

I don't have any insightful macroeconomic explanation to offer. Just my $0.02: if you are complaining about earning $80,000 to sit behind a computer screen and type all day, you are one entitled SOB. There are 10 million people in China and India who would probably cut off their right arm if it meant they could work for a well-funded startup in the Bay Area for $40,000 a year. They'd make it work even if they had to live in RV's in Fremont.

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noir_lord 12y ago
So what? By your logic we should all feel fortunate we have a toilet that flushes or fresh water out the tap because not everyone has those and maybe we should but that wasn't what he asked was it. He asked why is there such a big apparent difference between similar roles in different places, which is a perfectly legitimate thing to ask and could have done without the holier than thou spiel.
amolgupta 12y ago
"Sit behind computer screen and type all day" is the worst thing I have heard about my job and "cut off their right arm if it meant they could work for a well-funded startup" the worst about my country. It requires great skill to build a company or be the part of first 10 employees. You cant just pick up a person on the street who knows how to type and expect them to build a Google. And as far as the India/China situation is concerned, you get to brag only because of the currency conversion rates. Lookup the number of Indian and Chineese employees in top US copmanies and startups and also do some research about the startups in these countries, if you know how to type into a search engine.
pastProlog 12y ago
> if you are complaining about earning $80,000 to sit behind a computer screen and type all day, you are one entitled SOB. What does that make the LP's, and VC's, and angels, and accelerators, who do no work, and sit on their yachts whining how much money that the workers who do all the work are making? I do all the work and I create all the wealth. If I am being paid $80k, then on average I am creating $100k, or $120k etc. for the company. It's a joke that the parasites who live on my sweat, and their toadies like yourself would use the word entitled. Yes, I am entitled to the wealth I create, in fact I am entitled to more than that. If the wealth I create does not go to me who worked to create it, who is it going to? To the lazy heir LP. You advocate more going to these parasites which just reflects how you think - like a parasite.
- ninjakeyboard 12y ago
  at an agency I worked at, every employee was supposed to bring in about a million bucks a year on a 70k a year salary.
- logicallee 12y ago
  OMFG this reads exactly like some communist screed with one difference. If you own a single laptop you own 100% of the means of production, you do not NEED LP's, VC's, Angels, or a paycheck. If you want to keep 100% of it, then go, code up your own damn site like any number of people here did, don't take a dime from anyone and go produce some value and keep all of it. There are basically zero costs involved with launching a web startup. do it then. you're acting like this is the nineteenth century and you're working in some factory owned by a VC. you own the tools. what exactly are you missing? Go build something and put it up. right now. tonight. go go go go go go.
  - pastProlog 12y ago
    > this reads exactly like some communist screed Well, if the idea that people who work and create wealth should keep the wealth they create is a "communist" idea, then so be it.
    - logicallee 12y ago
      <sarc> you have a moral duty to quit your job and code a site you own 100% of, using your laptop which is the means of production. how can you support the unjust social structure you're a part of today? The people working in your office as support staff are letting you generate value neither you nor they keep. You have a moral duty to resign today and code a site on your own laptop, from home, owning and keeping 100% of the wealth/value. or to update your philosophy to be practical, sane, and not hypocritical. either way you cannot continue as you have written. it is unjust. </sarc> In case it isn't obvious I say this tongue-in-cheek, and expect you to update your philosophy and not your work conditions. but the choice is yours. Today, you are the factory owner. Go home and turn it on. or stop complaining. here HN literally supports both options.

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noir_lord 12y ago

So what? By your logic we should all feel fortunate we have a toilet that flushes or fresh water out the tap because not everyone has those and maybe we should but that wasn't what he asked was it. He asked why is there such a big apparent difference between similar roles in different places, which is a perfectly legitimate thing to ask and could have done without the holier than thou spiel.

amolgupta 12y ago

"Sit behind computer screen and type all day" is the worst thing I have heard about my job and "cut off their right arm if it meant they could work for a well-funded startup" the worst about my country. It requires great skill to build a company or be the part of first 10 employees. You cant just pick up a person on the street who knows how to type and expect them to build a Google. And as far as the India/China situation is concerned, you get to brag only because of the currency conversion rates. Lookup the number of Indian and Chineese employees in top US copmanies and startups and also do some research about the startups in these countries, if you know how to type into a search engine.

pastProlog 12y ago

> if you are complaining about earning $80,000 to sit behind a computer screen and type all day, you are one entitled SOB. What does that make the LP's, and VC's, and angels, and accelerators, who do no work, and sit on their yachts whining how much money that the workers who do all the work are making? I do all the work and I create all the wealth. If I am being paid $80k, then on average I am creating $100k, or $120k etc. for the company. It's a joke that the parasites who live on my sweat, and their toadies like yourself would use the word entitled. Yes, I am entitled to the wealth I create, in fact I am entitled to more than that. If the wealth I create does not go to me who worked to create it, who is it going to? To the lazy heir LP. You advocate more going to these parasites which just reflects how you think - like a parasite.

ninjakeyboard 12y ago
at an agency I worked at, every employee was supposed to bring in about a million bucks a year on a 70k a year salary.
logicallee 12y ago
OMFG this reads exactly like some communist screed with one difference. If you own a single laptop you own 100% of the means of production, you do not NEED LP's, VC's, Angels, or a paycheck. If you want to keep 100% of it, then go, code up your own damn site like any number of people here did, don't take a dime from anyone and go produce some value and keep all of it. There are basically zero costs involved with launching a web startup. do it then. you're acting like this is the nineteenth century and you're working in some factory owned by a VC. you own the tools. what exactly are you missing? Go build something and put it up. right now. tonight. go go go go go go.
- pastProlog 12y ago
  > this reads exactly like some communist screed Well, if the idea that people who work and create wealth should keep the wealth they create is a "communist" idea, then so be it.
  - logicallee 12y ago
    <sarc> you have a moral duty to quit your job and code a site you own 100% of, using your laptop which is the means of production. how can you support the unjust social structure you're a part of today? The people working in your office as support staff are letting you generate value neither you nor they keep. You have a moral duty to resign today and code a site on your own laptop, from home, owning and keeping 100% of the wealth/value. or to update your philosophy to be practical, sane, and not hypocritical. either way you cannot continue as you have written. it is unjust. </sarc> In case it isn't obvious I say this tongue-in-cheek, and expect you to update your philosophy and not your work conditions. but the choice is yours. Today, you are the factory owner. Go home and turn it on. or stop complaining. here HN literally supports both options.