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I don't really believe Putin's approval ratings. In Russia there is no free press and private companies or academic institutes can be controlled at will by the

I don't really believe Putin's approval ratings. In Russia there is no free press and private companies or academic institutes can be controlled at will by the executive branch. So if any institute or private company conducts a poll... well...

mc32 12y ago
I'm afraid I believe the role of the Emp(eror/ress)/Tsar(ina)/Premier/President in Russia is akin to the role of a Father-at-large. So basically, people know he's flawed, they're not innocent, afterall, but they feel protective of him. They take him personally. So an attack on him, by the media, by western institutions, are, indirectly an indictment on them. I think this has foundation in how the country has always had a strongman or strongwoman at the helm who have always projected their power unambiguously and forcefully. It has been this way since the Khievan Rus. People were for practical purposes enslaved serfs till 1917. And then it arguably got worse.
- cpursley 12y ago
  This is how my wife has explained it (she's Russian born). Regarding Putin's popularity, it's actually true.
ptaipale 12y ago
I don't believe the exact ratings either, but I do not doubt that an honest poll would reveal a very strong support for Putin. There is a deep trauma in Russia about the disorder and weakness of 1990's, and Putin, for good or bad, took Russia out of it.
Mikeb85 12y ago
Believe it. Every Russian I know in real life (in Canada no less) loves Putin. And why wouldn't they? Remember that Bill Clinton, for all his failures, is probably still the most loved US President. Why? Because things were good while he was in charge. Look at this Russian economic data: https://www.quandl.com/c/russia/russia-economy-data https://www.quandl.com/c/russia/russia-economy-data For better or worse, for all Putin's perceived downsides, Russia is better off than it's ever been. Sanctions and all. In fact, most economists are projecting a 5% reduction in GDP due to sanctions. That will put them at 2013 levels of prosperity, which is still way, way above where they were only a decade ago, never mind in 2000.
- ptaipale 12y ago
  I'm in Finland, <400 km from St. Petersburg, and here the Russian community seems more divided. Some are taking anything from RT/whatever completely seriously, particularly regarding Ukraine, or at least in public they make an appearance to that effect. Others are horrified by seeing the chasm between Russian propaganda and actual reality - for instance regarding the supposed persecution of Russians here, taking away children from families, etc - and also the chasm between their own views and views of their families who are living in Russia under full coverage of government-induced media bombardment about Kiev Nazis etc. And yet another group - quite large in fact - is careful to not say anything at all, if possible. There's one interesting thing, though: the Russian vocabulary has been amended with the term Nazism. In the past, Russian language and any Soviet/Russian source would always speak of fascism (фашизм) and never Nazism (нацизм). This was apparently because Nazi is short for National Socialist, and that was a little bit too close to International Socialist, which was officially good. But now they actually say "Nazi". That is new.

mc32 12y ago

I'm afraid I believe the role of the Emp(eror/ress)/Tsar(ina)/Premier/President in Russia is akin to the role of a Father-at-large. So basically, people know he's flawed, they're not innocent, afterall, but they feel protective of him. They take him personally. So an attack on him, by the media, by western institutions, are, indirectly an indictment on them. I think this has foundation in how the country has always had a strongman or strongwoman at the helm who have always projected their power unambiguously and forcefully. It has been this way since the Khievan Rus. People were for practical purposes enslaved serfs till 1917. And then it arguably got worse.

cpursley 12y ago
This is how my wife has explained it (she's Russian born). Regarding Putin's popularity, it's actually true.

ptaipale 12y ago

I don't believe the exact ratings either, but I do not doubt that an honest poll would reveal a very strong support for Putin. There is a deep trauma in Russia about the disorder and weakness of 1990's, and Putin, for good or bad, took Russia out of it.

Mikeb85 12y ago

Believe it. Every Russian I know in real life (in Canada no less) loves Putin. And why wouldn't they? Remember that Bill Clinton, for all his failures, is probably still the most loved US President. Why? Because things were good while he was in charge. Look at this Russian economic data: https://www.quandl.com/c/russia/russia-economy-data https://www.quandl.com/c/russia/russia-economy-data For better or worse, for all Putin's perceived downsides, Russia is better off than it's ever been. Sanctions and all. In fact, most economists are projecting a 5% reduction in GDP due to sanctions. That will put them at 2013 levels of prosperity, which is still way, way above where they were only a decade ago, never mind in 2000.

ptaipale 12y ago
I'm in Finland, <400 km from St. Petersburg, and here the Russian community seems more divided. Some are taking anything from RT/whatever completely seriously, particularly regarding Ukraine, or at least in public they make an appearance to that effect. Others are horrified by seeing the chasm between Russian propaganda and actual reality - for instance regarding the supposed persecution of Russians here, taking away children from families, etc - and also the chasm between their own views and views of their families who are living in Russia under full coverage of government-induced media bombardment about Kiev Nazis etc. And yet another group - quite large in fact - is careful to not say anything at all, if possible. There's one interesting thing, though: the Russian vocabulary has been amended with the term Nazism. In the past, Russian language and any Soviet/Russian source would always speak of fascism (фашизм) and never Nazism (нацизм). This was apparently because Nazi is short for National Socialist, and that was a little bit too close to International Socialist, which was officially good. But now they actually say "Nazi". That is new.