> What it usually boils down to on these projects is a spreadsheet written by an out-of-touch project manager who has to answer to a senior manager and pulls a

> What it usually boils down to on these projects is a spreadsheet written by an out-of-touch project manager who has to answer to a senior manager and pulls a timeframe out of thin air. A lot of planning and documenting goes into filling about 2/3 of this timeframe, and then the last 1/3 is spent killing yourself trying to finish a shitload of work in a short time frame to meet the original estimate This is an accurate description of my last job using Agile practices. This was a shrinkwrapped product too. No customer demanding estimates, in the midst of fundamental architecture changes, and people still trying to slice-n-dice blue-sky new product development into sprints and user stories. The estimates were a joke and quality suffered because people rushed to get stuff done for the 3 week sprint deadline. All because some manager wanted it. Fucking stupid.