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They're on to something, but they don't know the whole picture. Which is that in a world where mass media is under the control of one superpower or another, you

They're on to something, but they don't know the whole picture. Which is that in a world where mass media is under the control of one superpower or another, you are only going to hear painful criticism of your own government from the opposing superpower's media arm. What I find just as painful as you about your countrymen's opinion of RT, is that people in my country will criticize RT as propaganda and then comically think the media in our own country isn't propaganda at us, and against Russia.

hindsightbias 12y ago
The funny thing is even if RT is an propaganda arm of Hitler-Putin, the US would objectively have been better off listening to it. Russia was in opposition to the Iraq War, destabilizing Libya, supporting the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, and toppling Assad in Syria. Putin was never cryptic that Ukraine was a "red line" and now we're all shocked at that outcome. Now we've got ISIS, have given up toppling Assad, troops headed back to Iraq, 'advisors' going to Ukraine and Putin is getting the grand tour in Cairo. Arguably, Putin was looking out for western interests more than the clowns running the show for the last 14 years.
- bayesianhorse 12y ago
  Where did Putin say Ukraine is a "red line" before that crisis. Just a reminder: Their elected president rejected a trade agreement with the EU. His people didn't like that, and coupled with lots of grief about extreme corruption and other things, things escalated. The US or the EU did not intervene at all, whereas all the invading and conquering forces where Russian... The western governments also didn't want to topple Assad. But they also can't be opposed to deposing him, because that would contradict all democratic values: Assad and his father are mass murderers who rule their country dictatorily in a reign of terror. Regime change was never a goal in Libya. If at any point Gaddafi had just stopped shelling civilian settlements, the bombardment would have been stopped, and the rebels wouldn't have had a snow flake's chance in hell of deposing him. The UN resolution was followed to the letter. Gaddafi's stupidity is a whole different matter.
bayesianhorse 12y ago
I hear tons of criticism from major media against both the US and German government, from both US and German media. You don't hear the kreml being criticized in Russian media though...
- A_COMPUTER 12y ago
  Russia is objectively worse in a lot of ways, they are not identical. But there do seem to be certain significant things that are almost impossible to say in American media, such as the term empire.

hindsightbias 12y ago

The funny thing is even if RT is an propaganda arm of Hitler-Putin, the US would objectively have been better off listening to it. Russia was in opposition to the Iraq War, destabilizing Libya, supporting the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, and toppling Assad in Syria. Putin was never cryptic that Ukraine was a "red line" and now we're all shocked at that outcome. Now we've got ISIS, have given up toppling Assad, troops headed back to Iraq, 'advisors' going to Ukraine and Putin is getting the grand tour in Cairo. Arguably, Putin was looking out for western interests more than the clowns running the show for the last 14 years.

bayesianhorse 12y ago
Where did Putin say Ukraine is a "red line" before that crisis. Just a reminder: Their elected president rejected a trade agreement with the EU. His people didn't like that, and coupled with lots of grief about extreme corruption and other things, things escalated. The US or the EU did not intervene at all, whereas all the invading and conquering forces where Russian... The western governments also didn't want to topple Assad. But they also can't be opposed to deposing him, because that would contradict all democratic values: Assad and his father are mass murderers who rule their country dictatorily in a reign of terror. Regime change was never a goal in Libya. If at any point Gaddafi had just stopped shelling civilian settlements, the bombardment would have been stopped, and the rebels wouldn't have had a snow flake's chance in hell of deposing him. The UN resolution was followed to the letter. Gaddafi's stupidity is a whole different matter.

bayesianhorse 12y ago

I hear tons of criticism from major media against both the US and German government, from both US and German media. You don't hear the kreml being criticized in Russian media though...

A_COMPUTER 12y ago
Russia is objectively worse in a lot of ways, they are not identical. But there do seem to be certain significant things that are almost impossible to say in American media, such as the term empire.