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I think that was a poorly transmitted message and an overblown story. Probably it should be read as "taking advantage of the system". Look run an Open Source p

by psgbg 12y ago

I think that was a poorly transmitted message and an overblown story. Probably it should be read as "taking advantage of the system". Look run an Open Source project is costly, as much as making any other kind of software. Or you throw money developing it or time (which can be translated to money). They release the source code of everything, plus is GPL so it's free* software as stated by the FSF (but they have privative software as well, for example drivers, as many other Linux distros do). You still can download the iso for free. Plus they have a community ready to help you, and developers trying yo fix every bug they can. You don't want to pay. Fine don't pay. You don't want to pay them. Fine don't pay them. But try to think this, in every situation if you use free software that don't require to you to pay consider to help the project. If you have the possibility, then do a donation you are making a little big help to the project. Any help is welcomed (bug reporting, documentation, programming, recommending to your friends, and other things) If you don't care, it's fine. But when good open source project dies, God help us. And this is true for every single open source projects not only for them (Ubuntu, Debian, Arch, FreeBSD, vlc player, Kodi). (free* as freedom). (free* as free beer).

nickysielicki 12y ago
The elementary devs are idiots for not thinking about what they wanted to get out of this project in the first place. Let's take a look at other open source monetizers: * Red Hat - Provide enterprise support. * Canonical - Provide dumb cloud services and enterprise support * Docker - Provide enterprise support. Where does Elementary fit into any of these models? Oh it doesn't? Then what in god's name were you thinking? And then they go on to insult 99%+ of their userbase for using their software without paying? But that was never implied as part of the deal! When I first heard of Elementary I thought of it as something much like Linux Mint... A Ubuntu install with a non-gnome DE as default. Actually, I still very much see it as that... That's all it fucking is. So when Lubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Linux Mint, and Ubuntu all exist entirely for free, and this similar product (but more hipster) comes along, why were the "cheaters", expected to know that this one intended to charge them? I'm toying with the idea right now of registering geteos.com and linking to images of Elementary without an option to pay just as a "Fuck You" to these guys.
- psgbg 12y ago
  Sorry I don't follow you for the first part. >So when Lubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Linux Mint, and Ubuntu all exist entirely for free, and this similar product (but more hipster) comes along, why were the "cheaters", expected to know that this one intended to charge them? Look I don't like the "cheater" part more than you do yet I consider a bad way to express what they intended to say and not a mere insult. Now what Lubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Linux Mint, and Ubuntu do as their "marketing" (to say a word) policy is up to them. But if you read my comment what I try to say is the same for them. Using an open source project without helping them if you can is take advantage of the system. >I'm toying with the idea right now of registering geteos.com and linking to images of Elementary without an option to pay just as a "Fuck You" to these guys. You consider them as idiots/jerks and want to do that, and possibly running against the risk to be sued for trademark infringement or whatever... man you have balls.
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- tree_of_item 12y ago
  Please take a minute to realize that you're part of the problem.
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- psgbg 12y ago
  After reading what said tree_of_item, I think tree_of_item is right. >I'm toying with the idea right now of registering geteos.com and linking to images of Elementary without an option to pay just as a "Fuck You" to these guys. That does not do any favor to anyone. Please put the bar of the discussion a little higher. You have right to be upset by their wording use. You don't like it expose your arguments. If you are going to "fuck" every open project for their mistakes... gosh. Today many people are complaining that the open source community is getting toxic of haters, people threatening, trolls and other people doing bad stuff. HN is full of smart people, at least if you want to discus acts like that do it elsewhere.

by psgbg 12y ago

nickysielicki 12y ago

The elementary devs are idiots for not thinking about what they wanted to get out of this project in the first place. Let's take a look at other open source monetizers: * Red Hat - Provide enterprise support. * Canonical - Provide dumb cloud services and enterprise support * Docker - Provide enterprise support. Where does Elementary fit into any of these models? Oh it doesn't? Then what in god's name were you thinking? And then they go on to insult 99%+ of their userbase for using their software without paying? But that was never implied as part of the deal! When I first heard of Elementary I thought of it as something much like Linux Mint... A Ubuntu install with a non-gnome DE as default. Actually, I still very much see it as that... That's all it fucking is. So when Lubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Linux Mint, and Ubuntu all exist entirely for free, and this similar product (but more hipster) comes along, why were the "cheaters", expected to know that this one intended to charge them? I'm toying with the idea right now of registering geteos.com and linking to images of Elementary without an option to pay just as a "Fuck You" to these guys.

psgbg 12y ago
Sorry I don't follow you for the first part. >So when Lubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Linux Mint, and Ubuntu all exist entirely for free, and this similar product (but more hipster) comes along, why were the "cheaters", expected to know that this one intended to charge them? Look I don't like the "cheater" part more than you do yet I consider a bad way to express what they intended to say and not a mere insult. Now what Lubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Linux Mint, and Ubuntu do as their "marketing" (to say a word) policy is up to them. But if you read my comment what I try to say is the same for them. Using an open source project without helping them if you can is take advantage of the system. >I'm toying with the idea right now of registering geteos.com and linking to images of Elementary without an option to pay just as a "Fuck You" to these guys. You consider them as idiots/jerks and want to do that, and possibly running against the risk to be sued for trademark infringement or whatever... man you have balls.
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tree_of_item 12y ago
Please take a minute to realize that you're part of the problem.
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psgbg 12y ago
After reading what said tree_of_item, I think tree_of_item is right. >I'm toying with the idea right now of registering geteos.com and linking to images of Elementary without an option to pay just as a "Fuck You" to these guys. That does not do any favor to anyone. Please put the bar of the discussion a little higher. You have right to be upset by their wording use. You don't like it expose your arguments. If you are going to "fuck" every open project for their mistakes... gosh. Today many people are complaining that the open source community is getting toxic of haters, people threatening, trolls and other people doing bad stuff. HN is full of smart people, at least if you want to discus acts like that do it elsewhere.