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>then we could make similar sacrifices, pay a little extra for fuel, pay a little extra for solar infrastructure, change our diets to be more sustainable I hav

>then we could make similar sacrifices, pay a little extra for fuel, pay a little extra for solar infrastructure, change our diets to be more sustainable I haven't done the study, but I'd wager that those small price hikes would push the five most marginal percent currently able to afford rent into homelessness. Things are never that simple. A person who presents anything as black and white either hasn't thought about it or is lying to you.

AlisdairO 12y ago
In fairness, he talked in terms of societal choices - and having the five most marginal percent be that close to the edge is also very much a choice.
squeeze 12y ago
I think it's really a long, grueling process of dialogue, explanation of practicals, co-operation of all possible interests, and work. It's a systemic change kind of thing, I think. That kind of stuff isn't easy, and if one is aiming for easiness and some approximation of perfection, it requires a lot of friction between global and local changes.
TaylorAlexander 12y ago
So... design your policy such that they don't affect the most poor (fund things by raising taxes on the wealthy, etc). It in fact is that simple, yet we lack the political will to make policy that disproportionately affects the wealthy. That isn't because we can't, it's because our ideology ensures we won't.
- aragot 12y ago
  Why should global warming taxes be also an instrument to rebalance wealth? That's exactly what discredits them when I push for them as a debate: The middle class feel very insecure about "redistribution".
  - lotsofmangos 12y ago
    Anything that moves money around, moves money around. Asking for a tax that doesn't rebalance wealth one way or another, is to ask for no taxes.
  - littletimmy 12y ago
    Then let them feel secure. Let's tax only the super-rich. Perhaps a wealth tax on billionaires.
  - quonn 12y ago
    The OP has responded to the problem of "push[ing] the five most marginal percent [..] into homelessness". Your blowing his modest proposal out of proportion when talking about rebalancing wealth. He only suggested to design the policy in a way that prevents the poorest to become homeless.
  - meric 12y ago
    Yes that's right. IMO a climate change tax on fossil fuels should distribute the proceeds evenly amongst everyone in the country.

AlisdairO 12y ago

In fairness, he talked in terms of societal choices - and having the five most marginal percent be that close to the edge is also very much a choice.

squeeze 12y ago

I think it's really a long, grueling process of dialogue, explanation of practicals, co-operation of all possible interests, and work. It's a systemic change kind of thing, I think. That kind of stuff isn't easy, and if one is aiming for easiness and some approximation of perfection, it requires a lot of friction between global and local changes.

TaylorAlexander 12y ago

So... design your policy such that they don't affect the most poor (fund things by raising taxes on the wealthy, etc). It in fact is that simple, yet we lack the political will to make policy that disproportionately affects the wealthy. That isn't because we can't, it's because our ideology ensures we won't.

aragot 12y ago
Why should global warming taxes be also an instrument to rebalance wealth? That's exactly what discredits them when I push for them as a debate: The middle class feel very insecure about "redistribution".
- lotsofmangos 12y ago
  Anything that moves money around, moves money around. Asking for a tax that doesn't rebalance wealth one way or another, is to ask for no taxes.
- littletimmy 12y ago
  Then let them feel secure. Let's tax only the super-rich. Perhaps a wealth tax on billionaires.
- quonn 12y ago
  The OP has responded to the problem of "push[ing] the five most marginal percent [..] into homelessness". Your blowing his modest proposal out of proportion when talking about rebalancing wealth. He only suggested to design the policy in a way that prevents the poorest to become homeless.
- meric 12y ago
  Yes that's right. IMO a climate change tax on fossil fuels should distribute the proceeds evenly amongst everyone in the country.