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It's worth mentioning the history of 'coordination' or 'bringing into line' between the public sector and the private sector here, especially gleischaltung[0].

It's worth mentioning the history of 'coordination' or 'bringing into line' between the public sector and the private sector here, especially gleischaltung[0]. I'm not trying to make a direct comparison, but the executive branch's "calls for them to hand over more data" are fundamentally about totalitarian surveillance and control. That may not be the goal, stated or otherwise, but make no mistake: the effect is the same. It's worth considering how we might feel if Russia or China were calling for something like this. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleichschaltung https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleichschaltung edit: quotation is from poorly-titled BBC article

ingler 12y ago
Apropos, from your link: "The best propaganda is that which, as it were, works invisibly, penetrates the whole of life without the public having any knowledge of the propagandistic initiative." -Goebbels
dragonwriter 12y ago
> the executive branch's "calls for them to hand over more data" are fundamentally about totalitarian surveillance and control But then: > That may not be the goal, stated or otherwise You seem to be confused about what the construction "action X is about Y" means -- it means that Y is the (usually, unstated) goal of X.
higherpurpose 12y ago
It's also interesting to see that Microsoft is one of the first to obey (a voluntary "order") - the first company to ever participate in the PRISM program, and the one we know most about for its "cooperation" with the NSA from Snowden's documents. http://motherboard.vice.com/read/sony-microsoft-and-others-agree-to-share-customer-data-for-national-security http://motherboard.vice.com/read/sony-microsoft-and-others-a... http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/06/nsa-gets-early-access-to-zero-day-data-from-microsoft-others/ http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/06/nsa-gets-early-acces... http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-collaboration-user-data http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-c... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/prism-collection-documents/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/prism-... Whatever the debate about the "old" and the "new" Microsoft, Microsoft has definitely remained the same when it comes to happily giving its user data to the government, even when not obligated by the law to do so. Sometimes they excuse themselves with the argument "that it's the law". Well this time it's not the law, Microsoft. So what's your excuse now?
cryoshon 12y ago
Yes, thank you. This proposal is a terrible one because it'll result in the government consolidating more power.

ingler 12y ago

Apropos, from your link: "The best propaganda is that which, as it were, works invisibly, penetrates the whole of life without the public having any knowledge of the propagandistic initiative." -Goebbels

dragonwriter 12y ago

> the executive branch's "calls for them to hand over more data" are fundamentally about totalitarian surveillance and control But then: > That may not be the goal, stated or otherwise You seem to be confused about what the construction "action X is about Y" means -- it means that Y is the (usually, unstated) goal of X.

higherpurpose 12y ago

It's also interesting to see that Microsoft is one of the first to obey (a voluntary "order") - the first company to ever participate in the PRISM program, and the one we know most about for its "cooperation" with the NSA from Snowden's documents. http://motherboard.vice.com/read/sony-microsoft-and-others-agree-to-share-customer-data-for-national-security http://motherboard.vice.com/read/sony-microsoft-and-others-a... http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/06/nsa-gets-early-access-to-zero-day-data-from-microsoft-others/ http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/06/nsa-gets-early-acces... http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-collaboration-user-data http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-c... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/prism-collection-documents/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/prism-... Whatever the debate about the "old" and the "new" Microsoft, Microsoft has definitely remained the same when it comes to happily giving its user data to the government, even when not obligated by the law to do so. Sometimes they excuse themselves with the argument "that it's the law". Well this time it's not the law, Microsoft. So what's your excuse now?

cryoshon 12y ago

Yes, thank you. This proposal is a terrible one because it'll result in the government consolidating more power.