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Greatest power forwards of all time and no mention of Garnett? Also omitted is Dennis Rodman which might not surprise most but when another 538 writer is famou

by Steko 12y ago

Greatest power forwards of all time and no mention of Garnett? Also omitted is Dennis Rodman which might not surprise most but when another 538 writer is famous largely for making the case that Rodman is arguably the greatest player of all time... Granted Rodman started at SF and Garnett has played Center lately but Duncan has also been at Center a lot.

gfunk911 12y ago
It's the War and Peace of somewhat convincing sports arguments. http://skepticalsports.com/?page_id=1222 http://skepticalsports.com/?page_id=1222
- nl 12y ago
  Upvoting for the link, and for your summary.
shanusmagnus 12y ago
Thank you. One of the reasons I continue to draw breath is anticipation of the day when the advanced stats people really look at Garnett and he finally gets his due. Some fans may believe he has already received his due, but they are mistaken.
- gfunk911 12y ago
  I don't know if the advanced stats themselves give Garnett his full due, but I feel like the members of the analytics community give Garnett his due, no question. He was truly amazing, likely the best player in the league for a stretch. On the MIN team that won 58 games, the rest of the team in descending minutes order was Latrell Sprewell Sam Cassell Trenton Hassell Fred Hoiberg Mark Madsen Gary Trent THEY WON FIFTY EIGHT GAMES!!!!
  - shanusmagnus 12y ago
    What I love is the beautifully pure metric offered by the 2008 trade, where they gave up KG and basically nothing, received a de-factor All Star (Jefferson) + some other stuff in return, and imploded to a degree that is rarely seen in the league. It's funny for a 20-10-5 guy to be chronically under-rated form a stats POV, but I think he was. I always tell people he was like having some kind of die-roll modifier: opposing teams took -3 on all rolls, and members of his team got +3. 20-10-5 doesn't begin to show everything he did.

by Steko 12y ago

gfunk911 12y ago

It's the War and Peace of somewhat convincing sports arguments. http://skepticalsports.com/?page_id=1222 http://skepticalsports.com/?page_id=1222

nl 12y ago
Upvoting for the link, and for your summary.

shanusmagnus 12y ago

Thank you. One of the reasons I continue to draw breath is anticipation of the day when the advanced stats people really look at Garnett and he finally gets his due. Some fans may believe he has already received his due, but they are mistaken.

gfunk911 12y ago
I don't know if the advanced stats themselves give Garnett his full due, but I feel like the members of the analytics community give Garnett his due, no question. He was truly amazing, likely the best player in the league for a stretch. On the MIN team that won 58 games, the rest of the team in descending minutes order was Latrell Sprewell Sam Cassell Trenton Hassell Fred Hoiberg Mark Madsen Gary Trent THEY WON FIFTY EIGHT GAMES!!!!
- shanusmagnus 12y ago
  What I love is the beautifully pure metric offered by the 2008 trade, where they gave up KG and basically nothing, received a de-factor All Star (Jefferson) + some other stuff in return, and imploded to a degree that is rarely seen in the league. It's funny for a 20-10-5 guy to be chronically under-rated form a stats POV, but I think he was. I always tell people he was like having some kind of die-roll modifier: opposing teams took -3 on all rolls, and members of his team got +3. 20-10-5 doesn't begin to show everything he did.