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I feel like we're so deep in the mire now, of this kind of corruption and control by wealthy people/interests/entities, it'll be tough, if not impossible, to di

I feel like we're so deep in the mire now, of this kind of corruption and control by wealthy people/interests/entities, it'll be tough, if not impossible, to dig out of. Being a fairly selfish person, that's not for my own self interest. Its a recipe for disaster. We need a massive overhaul. Edit: Lobbying and the ability for a fiat currency to control decisions, and revolving door setups, seems like the obvious first step to me. But the people that can make that happen are the people that benefit from it currently. Bring on a new planet, without those types of people.

colechristensen 12y ago
It is only with a false view of the past that today can be seen as more corrupt than any point in history. Of course there is an ebb and flow of where the corruption lies, and to what extent it takes hold. People tend to forget that we're living in the safest, most transparent, most free point in the whole of human history. We've been digging ourselves out of a pit of corruption for ten thousand years, don't let yourself be fooled into thinking things are terrible by focusing on a few things that have gotten worse over a decade or two. Big picture: things are and have been getting massively better continuously. You should be celebrating that such corruption can so easily come to light instead of decrying doom that it has been discovered.
- FeeTinesAMady 12y ago
  Celebrating that is a recipe for resting on your laurels and allowing it to continue. There is nothing to celebrate here. You should be mad as hell and doing something about it.
- meric 12y ago
  I was trying to think of an argument to disagree with you with but you're right. From the times of Woodrow Wilson's reign to John Edgar Hoover and Nixon to the NSA, there's never really been a time in the past hundred years some part of the government wasn't corrupt and power hungry. And probably even before 1900 too with slavery and subduing of the Indian tribes. The freest least corrupt point in USA government's history is probably July 2, 1776.
- mirimir 12y ago
  Yes, not that long ago, it was not uncommon for sugar to be adulterated with lead acetate. Spiking alcoholic beverages with methanol is still all too common.

colechristensen 12y ago

It is only with a false view of the past that today can be seen as more corrupt than any point in history. Of course there is an ebb and flow of where the corruption lies, and to what extent it takes hold. People tend to forget that we're living in the safest, most transparent, most free point in the whole of human history. We've been digging ourselves out of a pit of corruption for ten thousand years, don't let yourself be fooled into thinking things are terrible by focusing on a few things that have gotten worse over a decade or two. Big picture: things are and have been getting massively better continuously. You should be celebrating that such corruption can so easily come to light instead of decrying doom that it has been discovered.

FeeTinesAMady 12y ago
Celebrating that is a recipe for resting on your laurels and allowing it to continue. There is nothing to celebrate here. You should be mad as hell and doing something about it.
meric 12y ago
I was trying to think of an argument to disagree with you with but you're right. From the times of Woodrow Wilson's reign to John Edgar Hoover and Nixon to the NSA, there's never really been a time in the past hundred years some part of the government wasn't corrupt and power hungry. And probably even before 1900 too with slavery and subduing of the Indian tribes. The freest least corrupt point in USA government's history is probably July 2, 1776.
mirimir 12y ago
Yes, not that long ago, it was not uncommon for sugar to be adulterated with lead acetate. Spiking alcoholic beverages with methanol is still all too common.