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Just curious why this is getting downvoted. Are people actually buying the whole "Eich is a victim because as a white multimillionaire he lost his job because h

Just curious why this is getting downvoted. Are people actually buying the whole "Eich is a victim because as a white multimillionaire he lost his job because he cared deeply about taking away the rights of others"...?

mbreese 12y ago
It's because they are going overboard... I stopped reading when I saw the word "sociopathic".
- coldpie 12y ago
  Do you think campaigning to ensure a group of people don't have certain fundamental rights that others do, for no reason other than your own personal animosity, doesn't qualify as sociopathic? I do.
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  - EdSharkey 12y ago
    This matter you are concerned with has always had more to do with recognition and acceptance in society than rights and equality. You seem sharp set to demonize Eich and otherwise be combative with others in all these comments. Have you ever considered that your attitude would harden peoples' hearts against you rather than warming them? Do you think you will you ever be able to drop this victim act and heal and move on with life?
    - coldpie 12y ago
      Are you really suggesting that outrage directed at those intentionally harming other people for no reason at all is an act?
  - mcphage 12y ago
    > for no reason other than your own personal animosity If that's your understanding of people who vote against gay marriage, then you really have no idea what's going on in this country.
    - coldpie 12y ago
      Please enlighten me.
      - mcphage 12y ago
        Most people on this planet have religious beliefs, that claim some behaviors are good, and some behaviors are bad. A lot of them don't make much sense. Maybe you think that God doesn't want you eating bacon. Why? I don't know. But you follow them because you believe that's what God wants you to do. A lot of people—millions and millions of people in the US—believe that their God disapproves of gay marriage. And so these people, who are trying to understand the world and their place in it, try to live out the expectations they believe that their God has for them. Maybe you think that sucks. Well, in fairly short order, gay marriage is being legalized over their objections. That's a good thing. But to believe that it's being fueled by sociopathic animosity—to turn millions of Americans into movie villains because they haven't yet learned what you already have—is an act of arrogant blindness. And it's a harm to you as well—by not understanding why they believe what they do, by turning them into fictional caricatures, you lose all hope of changing their mind, and helping them learn what you learned. I have no doubt that, over time, quite a lot of them will see the errors of their ways, and support gay marriage. But it will be despite you, not thanks to you.
        coldpie 12y ago
        We have a constitution. The first amendment of which says religion will have no influence in making laws. Done, discussion over, and the courts agree.
        mcphage 12y ago
        That's not what the first amendment says. A lot of laws have inspiration in religion (and tradition)—people believe X, and so want laws that support X. But if X gets passed as a law, it's because people support X, not necessarily because it comes from a religion. What we're seeing with gay marriage is, people are studying the matter, and finding out that the only reasons against it are religion, and tradition. And those aren't sufficient. So laws against it are being overruled. But that isn't to say that religion has (or should have) no influence, because it influences the believers, who then support laws & lawmakers. Nor is always it possible to separate the beliefs that someone holds for religious reasons, vs. beliefs they hold for other reasons. But it does mean that a law needs more than religious reasons to stay on the books. Thankfully, gay marriage seems to be one that is mostly held for religious reasons, so laws preventing it can be dismantled (versus, say, marijuana prohibition. It's more than just religion, so it's harder to dismantle). But if all you take away is that people against gay marriage aren't driven by sociopathic malice, then that's still an improvement.
ossreality 12y ago
> Are people actually buying the whole "Eich is a victim because as a white multimillionaire he lost his job because he cared deeply about taking away the rights of others"...? Yes, categorically they are. All over HN.
mcantelon 12y ago
Yes, people are downvoting because Eich is white. That's most certainly the reason. ;)
coldpie 12y ago
I was a little rude there, but people claiming that Eich is the fricking victim here really sets me off. The downvotes from cowards and/or homophobes do crack me up though. This is a discussion forum, folks. If you disagree, let's discuss it!

mbreese 12y ago

It's because they are going overboard... I stopped reading when I saw the word "sociopathic".

coldpie 12y ago
Do you think campaigning to ensure a group of people don't have certain fundamental rights that others do, for no reason other than your own personal animosity, doesn't qualify as sociopathic? I do.
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- EdSharkey 12y ago
  This matter you are concerned with has always had more to do with recognition and acceptance in society than rights and equality. You seem sharp set to demonize Eich and otherwise be combative with others in all these comments. Have you ever considered that your attitude would harden peoples' hearts against you rather than warming them? Do you think you will you ever be able to drop this victim act and heal and move on with life?
  - coldpie 12y ago
    Are you really suggesting that outrage directed at those intentionally harming other people for no reason at all is an act?
- mcphage 12y ago
  > for no reason other than your own personal animosity If that's your understanding of people who vote against gay marriage, then you really have no idea what's going on in this country.
  - coldpie 12y ago
    Please enlighten me.
    - mcphage 12y ago
      Most people on this planet have religious beliefs, that claim some behaviors are good, and some behaviors are bad. A lot of them don't make much sense. Maybe you think that God doesn't want you eating bacon. Why? I don't know. But you follow them because you believe that's what God wants you to do. A lot of people—millions and millions of people in the US—believe that their God disapproves of gay marriage. And so these people, who are trying to understand the world and their place in it, try to live out the expectations they believe that their God has for them. Maybe you think that sucks. Well, in fairly short order, gay marriage is being legalized over their objections. That's a good thing. But to believe that it's being fueled by sociopathic animosity—to turn millions of Americans into movie villains because they haven't yet learned what you already have—is an act of arrogant blindness. And it's a harm to you as well—by not understanding why they believe what they do, by turning them into fictional caricatures, you lose all hope of changing their mind, and helping them learn what you learned. I have no doubt that, over time, quite a lot of them will see the errors of their ways, and support gay marriage. But it will be despite you, not thanks to you.
      - coldpie 12y ago
        We have a constitution. The first amendment of which says religion will have no influence in making laws. Done, discussion over, and the courts agree.
        mcphage 12y ago
        That's not what the first amendment says. A lot of laws have inspiration in religion (and tradition)—people believe X, and so want laws that support X. But if X gets passed as a law, it's because people support X, not necessarily because it comes from a religion. What we're seeing with gay marriage is, people are studying the matter, and finding out that the only reasons against it are religion, and tradition. And those aren't sufficient. So laws against it are being overruled. But that isn't to say that religion has (or should have) no influence, because it influences the believers, who then support laws & lawmakers. Nor is always it possible to separate the beliefs that someone holds for religious reasons, vs. beliefs they hold for other reasons. But it does mean that a law needs more than religious reasons to stay on the books. Thankfully, gay marriage seems to be one that is mostly held for religious reasons, so laws preventing it can be dismantled (versus, say, marijuana prohibition. It's more than just religion, so it's harder to dismantle). But if all you take away is that people against gay marriage aren't driven by sociopathic malice, then that's still an improvement.

ossreality 12y ago

> Are people actually buying the whole "Eich is a victim because as a white multimillionaire he lost his job because he cared deeply about taking away the rights of others"...? Yes, categorically they are. All over HN.

mcantelon 12y ago

Yes, people are downvoting because Eich is white. That's most certainly the reason. ;)

coldpie 12y ago

I was a little rude there, but people claiming that Eich is the fricking victim here really sets me off. The downvotes from cowards and/or homophobes do crack me up though. This is a discussion forum, folks. If you disagree, let's discuss it!