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you really don't have freedom of speech when you can get mugged by being obnoxious online. Ken White has quite a few posts about freedom of speech vs the Inter

by dsp1234 12y ago

you really don't have freedom of speech when you can get mugged by being obnoxious online. Ken White has quite a few posts about freedom of speech vs the Internet. I think this quote is apropos to that type of comment. Speech Is Not Censorship: Put another way, as we often say here, speech is not tyranny. Freedom of speech does not (and cannot, under any coherent legal or philosophical approach) involve freedom from criticism. Free speech does not mean "I have a right to say whatever I want without social consequences." [0] [0] - https://www.popehat.com/2012/10/16/a-few-words-on-reddit-gawker-and-anonymity/ https://www.popehat.com/2012/10/16/a-few-words-on-reddit-gaw...

mc32 12y ago
To me the unresolved problem here is that this approach leads to online coercion, bullying, and suppressing dissent and steers opinion to the center. Korea has many examples of people being harassed and some leading to suicides due to online castigation. And, as others have noted. On the past these idiotic social indiscretions and letting off of steam were for the most part quickly forgotten, people went on with life. People say all kinds of idiotic things in ordinary speech for many reasons. Few of those reasons are malicious. For cornering people's though like this is not productive. It's like whack-a-mole. People will let steam out some other way. You can't change society and its mores by force of on-line bullying. Many many times those calling offense don't understand the context. It's like one day calling out people who when they have sex have a disposition to say nasty things. I can see it rationalized right now. Don't say b c* d* etc. Even as re playing as that unconsciously has an effect on people.... No. Fuvk no. I've come to the conclusion that only allowing the ugliness to surface can we call ourselves free. Anything else is a sanitized life. The thing is who decides what is healthy?

by dsp1234 12y ago

mc32 12y ago

To me the unresolved problem here is that this approach leads to online coercion, bullying, and suppressing dissent and steers opinion to the center. Korea has many examples of people being harassed and some leading to suicides due to online castigation. And, as others have noted. On the past these idiotic social indiscretions and letting off of steam were for the most part quickly forgotten, people went on with life. People say all kinds of idiotic things in ordinary speech for many reasons. Few of those reasons are malicious. For cornering people's though like this is not productive. It's like whack-a-mole. People will let steam out some other way. You can't change society and its mores by force of on-line bullying. Many many times those calling offense don't understand the context. It's like one day calling out people who when they have sex have a disposition to say nasty things. I can see it rationalized right now. Don't say b c* d* etc. Even as re playing as that unconsciously has an effect on people.... No. Fuvk no. I've come to the conclusion that only allowing the ugliness to surface can we call ourselves free. Anything else is a sanitized life. The thing is who decides what is healthy?