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>Proplex, a long-time member of the Tox-Foundation and in charge of both infrastructure and marketing, called out tox devs because the 2 people in charge (irung

>Proplex, a long-time member of the Tox-Foundation and in charge of both infrastructure and marketing, called out tox devs because the 2 people in charge (irungentoo and stqism) were dealing with money in a shady way and he got suspicious We barely get any donations. We barely have money and we are very transparent about it, look at our donations page. >After he went away and stopped to pay for the website and other servers (he hosted everything) He disappeared one day, didn't warn us or anything and took everything (including backups) with him. >Tox devs got angry and tracked his online activity by his browser UA, read his private email sent to his @tox.im address and considered breaking into his VPS account Yes because I wanted to know if he had done anything weird on the site. We never considered breaking into his account. His tox.im mail was never remade on the new tox.im mail server so all emails sent to it ended up in our catch all email. >Members of the Tox Foundation such as stqism try constantly to sneak in copyright changes I'm a member of the Tox foundation and I don't sneak in copyright changes in my repo. He also didn't try to sneak it in. I never merge pull requests before reading everything first. >After it got out of hand and too many people called out the Tox Foundation, this happened Yes and I explained exactly what happened. What is the issue? >irungentoo enforced censorship on his github repo to try to cover everything up Because kicking trolls is censorship? >irungentoo claims Tox is secure just because he uses a secure primitive Scroll down to my next comment in that thread. Sorry for my previous comment. This one should be better.

nfkd 12y ago
>We barely get any donations. We barely have money That's relative and your wording is slippery here. What is "barely no money"? $50? $100? In any case, donated money should be dealt with in a better way. Even an ex-member of the foundation (Proplex) had a big issue with this. He actually left because of the shady way you dealt with money and, since then, nothing changed. >we are very transparent about it, look at our donations page. That page tell barely nothing and is outdated. What's the money being spent on? Who's the financial manager? As a donator, how can I be sure my money is being spent on Tox and not on personal servers, vacations, etc. by the Tox Foundation leaders? There were rumors about that, and although I don't believe them, this is a serious issue anyway. >He disappeared one day, didn't warn us or anything and took everything (including backups) with him. And on the same day you started harassing him, without even listening to his side of the story? And what do you mean with backups? You are saying you or other project members didn't keep local backups? That would be an amateur mistake to make. >Yes because I wanted to know if he had done anything weird on the site And the NSA just wants to know if we had done anything weird on their country. /sarcasm Do you think that justifies spying on him? >We never considered breaking into his account But you said the following at #tox-secret on January 14th: "urras, if you want to forcefully gain access to his digital ocean account I can reset his pass" SOURCE: https://archive.today/Y6LEw https://archive.today/Y6LEw (line 45) >His tox.im mail was never remade on the new tox.im mail server so all emails sent to it ended up in our catch all email As soon as he left the project you should have deleted his @tox.im email account or at least temporarily disabled it. It's unethical to keep receiving (and reading) emails that were meant to someone else. >I'm a member of the Tox foundation and I don't sneak in copyright changes in my repo I never said you did, I was talking about stq, the second in command of the foundation. https://github.com/stqism/ToxCore/commit/bed425598f26938bd54829ac64f98af8e406093c#diff-72e71364bf21b367b2a52418fbb2f862L2 https://github.com/stqism/ToxCore/commit/bed425598f26938bd54... >Because kicking trolls is censorship? Tell me, how is this a troll? http://i.imgur.com/HNFtcOG.png http://i.imgur.com/HNFtcOG.png Keep in mind the title was defaced (and later on the message) by irungentoo. As soon as dfortner raised up those questions, you locked the issue, edited his messages to say garbage, hurting his image, and banned him from the repository so he couldn't raise the issue again. >Sorry for my previous comment. This one should be better. This one isn't a blatant rant without content like the other one, it's just some damage control. I honestly don't know what is worse, but I guess you are right on saying this is a little better.

nfkd 12y ago

>We barely get any donations. We barely have money That's relative and your wording is slippery here. What is "barely no money"? $50? $100? In any case, donated money should be dealt with in a better way. Even an ex-member of the foundation (Proplex) had a big issue with this. He actually left because of the shady way you dealt with money and, since then, nothing changed. >we are very transparent about it, look at our donations page. That page tell barely nothing and is outdated. What's the money being spent on? Who's the financial manager? As a donator, how can I be sure my money is being spent on Tox and not on personal servers, vacations, etc. by the Tox Foundation leaders? There were rumors about that, and although I don't believe them, this is a serious issue anyway. >He disappeared one day, didn't warn us or anything and took everything (including backups) with him. And on the same day you started harassing him, without even listening to his side of the story? And what do you mean with backups? You are saying you or other project members didn't keep local backups? That would be an amateur mistake to make. >Yes because I wanted to know if he had done anything weird on the site And the NSA just wants to know if we had done anything weird on their country. /sarcasm Do you think that justifies spying on him? >We never considered breaking into his account But you said the following at #tox-secret on January 14th: "urras, if you want to forcefully gain access to his digital ocean account I can reset his pass" SOURCE: https://archive.today/Y6LEw https://archive.today/Y6LEw (line 45) >His tox.im mail was never remade on the new tox.im mail server so all emails sent to it ended up in our catch all email As soon as he left the project you should have deleted his @tox.im email account or at least temporarily disabled it. It's unethical to keep receiving (and reading) emails that were meant to someone else. >I'm a member of the Tox foundation and I don't sneak in copyright changes in my repo I never said you did, I was talking about stq, the second in command of the foundation. https://github.com/stqism/ToxCore/commit/bed425598f26938bd54829ac64f98af8e406093c#diff-72e71364bf21b367b2a52418fbb2f862L2 https://github.com/stqism/ToxCore/commit/bed425598f26938bd54... >Because kicking trolls is censorship? Tell me, how is this a troll? http://i.imgur.com/HNFtcOG.png http://i.imgur.com/HNFtcOG.png Keep in mind the title was defaced (and later on the message) by irungentoo. As soon as dfortner raised up those questions, you locked the issue, edited his messages to say garbage, hurting his image, and banned him from the repository so he couldn't raise the issue again. >Sorry for my previous comment. This one should be better. This one isn't a blatant rant without content like the other one, it's just some damage control. I honestly don't know what is worse, but I guess you are right on saying this is a little better.