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I merely must add, that such DIY vehicle can't be safe. You should have extensive knowledge not only to build a vehicle, but to make it road legal in most parts

by laacz 12y ago

I merely must add, that such DIY vehicle can't be safe. You should have extensive knowledge not only to build a vehicle, but to make it road legal in most parts of this planet. Actually, if you're thinking that assembling your car from scratch would be nice idea, and logic fails you, there are so-called "kit cars". Car constructing kits, if you wish. On street I've seen only Fraser[1], though. [1]: http://www.fraser.co.nz/the-car/buying-a-kit-car/ http://www.fraser.co.nz/the-car/buying-a-kit-car/

izacus 12y ago
Why would you have to make a vehicle road safe on most parts of this planet if you're driving it just within a single country? I would figure that car only has to pass Belarus technical and safety standards. As for safety: it's obviously vintage tech car and as such it probably can't really compare to modern Toyota safety standards.
- laacz 12y ago
  I meant that safety and engeneering requirements for cars are more or less strict around the world. As for being vintage - car is vintage now, it's not vintage when you've built it and are trying to register.
4ad 12y ago
Yes, it just can't be safe. It doesn't matter how much the creator tries to make them safe, they just can't be man. It must be a law of nature. It doesn't even matter that the vehicle is actually vetted by organisations actually responsible with road safety.
- IgorPartola 12y ago
  Different kinds of safety. I doubt the Belarus equivalent of the DMV performed crash testing of this vehicle. Pretty sure their inspection boils down to "does it make funny noises?", "does it smell bad?", and "do all the lights work?". That's certainly the case here in the US. I am sure that in this particular instance, since it's been driving for so long chances are it's not going to randomly catch fire (though it certainly could), but yeah, if you are building your own vehicle, I doubt you'd be able to do better than a team of engineers who dedicated their careers to it. Remember, they still mess up routinely, and it causes many deaths.
  - userbinator 12y ago
    On the other hand, since his intention is that he is going to be driving it, he's far less likely to make the sort of "value engineering" tradeoffs that mass-production cars are subject to. He certainly won't design for components to fail shortly outside the warranty period, for example. And lacking the advanced computer simulations that are used today to often determine exactly how much material/strength is needed, he'll be inclined to overengineer and make things more robust. It's going to lack a lot of safety features, but I think that it'd still be better than e.g. a motorcycle.
    - IgorPartola 12y ago
      Agreed. If it is a custom build then the builder is more likely to use better components. Then again, will he account for the crumple zone that could save his life and the lives of the people he hits with his car? Here using stronger materials is actually bad. Volvo used to do this I believe: their cars would survive all manner of crashes unscathed. Their drivers and passengers, not so much.
mzs 12y ago
He made it forty years ago and it passes yearly inspection. In 2000 you could still get a brand new maluch* in Poland, I'd take my chances in in the Fantasy personally and I drive a car made in '67 which is smaller than a current Mini and Fiat 500. * http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/uploads/cars/fiat/429117.jpg http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/uploads/cars/fiat/429117.jpg
- 72deluxe 12y ago
  Ah a Fiat 600 isn't it? Does it still have an aircooled engine? I remember sitting the back of one as a child and almost going deaf. The same happens if you get into my Beetle :-)
  - mzs 12y ago
    No maluch was 126p, different car. There was bis version which was watercooled, most were aircooled. Good roads to you 72.
    - 72deluxe 12y ago
      Thanks! I meant the 126! Duh! Thanks! It was the incredibly noisy aircooled version I sat in. I once went to a gig in my brother's Beetle but he'd taken all the soundproofing out as he was getting a new interior fitted; I was deaf by the time we got there, had an incredibly loud gig then got deafened on the way back. I don't think my ears have ever recovered. My Beetle is a 1972 Deluxe, original username don't you think?
kazinator 12y ago
> such a DIY vehicle can't be safe. Goes without saying; he worked at a weapons factory.
- 72deluxe 12y ago
  Hopefully it goes like a rocket!

by laacz 12y ago

izacus 12y ago

Why would you have to make a vehicle road safe on most parts of this planet if you're driving it just within a single country? I would figure that car only has to pass Belarus technical and safety standards. As for safety: it's obviously vintage tech car and as such it probably can't really compare to modern Toyota safety standards.

laacz 12y ago
I meant that safety and engeneering requirements for cars are more or less strict around the world. As for being vintage - car is vintage now, it's not vintage when you've built it and are trying to register.

4ad 12y ago

Yes, it just can't be safe. It doesn't matter how much the creator tries to make them safe, they just can't be man. It must be a law of nature. It doesn't even matter that the vehicle is actually vetted by organisations actually responsible with road safety.

IgorPartola 12y ago
Different kinds of safety. I doubt the Belarus equivalent of the DMV performed crash testing of this vehicle. Pretty sure their inspection boils down to "does it make funny noises?", "does it smell bad?", and "do all the lights work?". That's certainly the case here in the US. I am sure that in this particular instance, since it's been driving for so long chances are it's not going to randomly catch fire (though it certainly could), but yeah, if you are building your own vehicle, I doubt you'd be able to do better than a team of engineers who dedicated their careers to it. Remember, they still mess up routinely, and it causes many deaths.
- userbinator 12y ago
  On the other hand, since his intention is that he is going to be driving it, he's far less likely to make the sort of "value engineering" tradeoffs that mass-production cars are subject to. He certainly won't design for components to fail shortly outside the warranty period, for example. And lacking the advanced computer simulations that are used today to often determine exactly how much material/strength is needed, he'll be inclined to overengineer and make things more robust. It's going to lack a lot of safety features, but I think that it'd still be better than e.g. a motorcycle.
  - IgorPartola 12y ago
    Agreed. If it is a custom build then the builder is more likely to use better components. Then again, will he account for the crumple zone that could save his life and the lives of the people he hits with his car? Here using stronger materials is actually bad. Volvo used to do this I believe: their cars would survive all manner of crashes unscathed. Their drivers and passengers, not so much.

mzs 12y ago

He made it forty years ago and it passes yearly inspection. In 2000 you could still get a brand new maluch* in Poland, I'd take my chances in in the Fantasy personally and I drive a car made in '67 which is smaller than a current Mini and Fiat 500. * http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/uploads/cars/fiat/429117.jpg http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/uploads/cars/fiat/429117.jpg

72deluxe 12y ago
Ah a Fiat 600 isn't it? Does it still have an aircooled engine? I remember sitting the back of one as a child and almost going deaf. The same happens if you get into my Beetle :-)
- mzs 12y ago
  No maluch was 126p, different car. There was bis version which was watercooled, most were aircooled. Good roads to you 72.
  - 72deluxe 12y ago
    Thanks! I meant the 126! Duh! Thanks! It was the incredibly noisy aircooled version I sat in. I once went to a gig in my brother's Beetle but he'd taken all the soundproofing out as he was getting a new interior fitted; I was deaf by the time we got there, had an incredibly loud gig then got deafened on the way back. I don't think my ears have ever recovered. My Beetle is a 1972 Deluxe, original username don't you think?

kazinator 12y ago

> such a DIY vehicle can't be safe. Goes without saying; he worked at a weapons factory.

72deluxe 12y ago
Hopefully it goes like a rocket!