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I'm not following you. $800 for the display $500 for the computer components $100 for the aluminum case $100 for the wireless keyboard and hi-tech mous

I'm not following you. $800 for the display $500 for the computer components $100 for the aluminum case $100 for the wireless keyboard and hi-tech mouse $100 for OS X and iLife $100 for beautiful industrial design $1700 sounds like a fine deal to me. I'm tempted to buy one right now, but I'm forcing myself to wait for the first component refresh that will come in 6 or 8 months. Core 2 Duo is about to go obsolete.

elblanco 17y ago
Since when is $200 for design figured into the cost equation? And who pays $100 for a wireless keyboard mouse combo? $20 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823164005&cm_re=wireless_keyboard_mouse-_-23-164-005-_-Product http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823164... you are at least $280 off on price.
- davidmathers 17y ago
  Looks and form factor matter to me and are something I'm happy to pay for. I'm not saying they should matter you. If you'd rather save $300 and buy a computer in a standard plastic box, with trash peripherals that are only rated 1 egg, then you're welcome to it. The number of people who spend $300 on just a case + power supply from newegg when doing a custom pc build is not small.
  - elblanco 17y ago
    Fair enough. But even when I threw together my last monster home machine from newegg I don't think I spent more than $150 on case and power, and I even went hog wild with lights and all kinds of fans and other sexy things. Just because Apple felt that they needed to spent who knows how much R&D on a new plastic unibody mold that nobody is impressed with much, in order to house perfectly stock budget hardware doesn't mean that I think I should pay for that.
    - potatolicious 17y ago
      "that nobody is impressed with much" Have you been following the news at all? I know many non-technical people (and technical people also) who are absolutely ecstatic about getting a MacBook with the new body. People care about this shit - in fact I'd say it's the minority that does not. By the way, don't knock the unibody till you use one. My unibody MacBook Pro has got to be the most solid machine I've ever used - handily beats any other laptop on the market, including the venerable classic ThinkPads.
- potatolicious 17y ago
  Did you really just link, as an alternative to Apple's keyboard/mouse, a product whose first review is "Garbage"? You figure design into the cost equation all the time in your life - why would one wear anything except Wal-Mart t-shirts otherwise? Ease of use, quality of construction, and yes, even styling, is incredibly important in all aspects of life.
  - elblanco 17y ago
    Just showing that $100 is outrageous for a wireless mouse and keyboard. Here's one for just a hair more with solid reviews. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823126041&cm_re=wireless_mouse_and_keyboard-_-23-126-041-_-Product http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823126... It's not hard to find reasonable quality at a good price point.
    - potatolicious 17y ago
      I've actually used that keyboard - it's nowhere near the quality of the Apple keyboard. Keys are mushy and soft, and even the chiclet keys have a more solid feel than that. Not to mention the whole thing reeked of plasticy cheapness. Let me put it this way. If I drive once a week, I'd save money and get a little econobox Toyota. If, however, I spent 8 hours a day behind the wheel, I'd invest in a BMW or something else nice. In the same way, I spend at least 8 hours in front of a computer every single day - why in the world wouldn't I spend $100 on a keyboard/mouse combo? That's dirt cheap considering the mileage I get out of them. It just doesn't make sense to skimp on hardware when you spend so much time with it (and also, if it's your primary moneymaking machine).
      - kburn 17y ago
        >not to mention the whole thing reeked of plasticy cheapness Well, it is a cheap combo. ;)
      - Kadin 17y ago
        > I spend at least 8 hours in front of a computer every single day - why in the world wouldn't I spend $100 on a keyboard/mouse combo? Well put. I actually think that this logic justifies spending much more -- or at least buying products further along the price/feature curve -- on interface devices that have a comparatively long lifespan, than on devices that get upgraded frequently. To each their own, of course, but I've never regretted spending money on a good keyboard, good mouse, good monitor, or good chair. You can expect 5+ years out of a mouse (sometimes more), probably 5-10 on a monitor unless your needs change significantly, 10+ on a keyboard unless you have a tendency to spill into it (and even then, if it's a buckling spring you can basically hose it out), and who knows on a good chair -- I'm still on my first "good" one. I've found that it's the things that some folks cut corners on, things that on the surface can look like extravagances, that easily pay for themselves in terms of productivity and comfort. (Especially the chairs. Seriously, if you make your living sitting down, you deserve a good chair.) They don't have the same e-penis factor as a hotrod CPU, but it's a better use of funds in my book. (Although with all this said, I'm not a huge fan of the latest Apple keyboards; I think they peaked back with the AEKII. But that's a matter of preference; I like one with long key travel.)
- jsz0 17y ago
  Why would you not factor in the design? Goto NewEgg.com and price out some nice Lian-Li cases. They're expensive. Yes, you can get a junky finger slicer case with loud fans and tacky lights for ~$50 but that's not what I want
  - elblanco 17y ago
    Why does th design matter beyond "look at me, I'm using an overpriced collection of stock hardware". It's the old saying "you can't polish a turd". Commodity hardware is always going to be commodity hardware no matter how shiny the case is.
    - kburn 17y ago
      Well, the point is is that while maybe the guts are off-the-shelf, but the system design is not.
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- nixy 17y ago
  No, you get a 3.06 GHz Core 2 Duo as standard. The 27" model can be upgraded to Core 2 Duo 3.33 Ghz, i5 or i7. Read the page you linked to one more time :)
kburn 17y ago
You can keep lowering your component prices on your list till this makes sense to you. But let's be honest, you'd buy this machine no matter what because that's simply what you are into. The value proposition argument doesn't factor into fanhood. not a knock, just an observation, I'm thinking these look pretty sexy as well
- davidmathers 17y ago
  I find it hilarious that just a short way up the page someone is telling me you don't have to buy one because I so obviously loathe Apple products, while you're telling me my love for them is so strong that you'd buy this machine no matter what. All I do is speak the truth.
  - jacquesm 17y ago
    > All I do is speak the truth. I think you should let them come to an agreement first before they can jointly accuse you.
Tichy 17y ago
What kind of calculation is that? Pulling numbers out of the air?

elblanco 17y ago

Since when is $200 for design figured into the cost equation? And who pays $100 for a wireless keyboard mouse combo? $20 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823164005&cm_re=wireless_keyboard_mouse-_-23-164-005-_-Product http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823164... you are at least $280 off on price.

davidmathers 17y ago
Looks and form factor matter to me and are something I'm happy to pay for. I'm not saying they should matter you. If you'd rather save $300 and buy a computer in a standard plastic box, with trash peripherals that are only rated 1 egg, then you're welcome to it. The number of people who spend $300 on just a case + power supply from newegg when doing a custom pc build is not small.
- elblanco 17y ago
  Fair enough. But even when I threw together my last monster home machine from newegg I don't think I spent more than $150 on case and power, and I even went hog wild with lights and all kinds of fans and other sexy things. Just because Apple felt that they needed to spent who knows how much R&D on a new plastic unibody mold that nobody is impressed with much, in order to house perfectly stock budget hardware doesn't mean that I think I should pay for that.
  - potatolicious 17y ago
    "that nobody is impressed with much" Have you been following the news at all? I know many non-technical people (and technical people also) who are absolutely ecstatic about getting a MacBook with the new body. People care about this shit - in fact I'd say it's the minority that does not. By the way, don't knock the unibody till you use one. My unibody MacBook Pro has got to be the most solid machine I've ever used - handily beats any other laptop on the market, including the venerable classic ThinkPads.
potatolicious 17y ago
Did you really just link, as an alternative to Apple's keyboard/mouse, a product whose first review is "Garbage"? You figure design into the cost equation all the time in your life - why would one wear anything except Wal-Mart t-shirts otherwise? Ease of use, quality of construction, and yes, even styling, is incredibly important in all aspects of life.
- elblanco 17y ago
  Just showing that $100 is outrageous for a wireless mouse and keyboard. Here's one for just a hair more with solid reviews. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823126041&cm_re=wireless_mouse_and_keyboard-_-23-126-041-_-Product http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823126... It's not hard to find reasonable quality at a good price point.
  - potatolicious 17y ago
    I've actually used that keyboard - it's nowhere near the quality of the Apple keyboard. Keys are mushy and soft, and even the chiclet keys have a more solid feel than that. Not to mention the whole thing reeked of plasticy cheapness. Let me put it this way. If I drive once a week, I'd save money and get a little econobox Toyota. If, however, I spent 8 hours a day behind the wheel, I'd invest in a BMW or something else nice. In the same way, I spend at least 8 hours in front of a computer every single day - why in the world wouldn't I spend $100 on a keyboard/mouse combo? That's dirt cheap considering the mileage I get out of them. It just doesn't make sense to skimp on hardware when you spend so much time with it (and also, if it's your primary moneymaking machine).
    - kburn 17y ago
      >not to mention the whole thing reeked of plasticy cheapness Well, it is a cheap combo. ;)
    - Kadin 17y ago
      > I spend at least 8 hours in front of a computer every single day - why in the world wouldn't I spend $100 on a keyboard/mouse combo? Well put. I actually think that this logic justifies spending much more -- or at least buying products further along the price/feature curve -- on interface devices that have a comparatively long lifespan, than on devices that get upgraded frequently. To each their own, of course, but I've never regretted spending money on a good keyboard, good mouse, good monitor, or good chair. You can expect 5+ years out of a mouse (sometimes more), probably 5-10 on a monitor unless your needs change significantly, 10+ on a keyboard unless you have a tendency to spill into it (and even then, if it's a buckling spring you can basically hose it out), and who knows on a good chair -- I'm still on my first "good" one. I've found that it's the things that some folks cut corners on, things that on the surface can look like extravagances, that easily pay for themselves in terms of productivity and comfort. (Especially the chairs. Seriously, if you make your living sitting down, you deserve a good chair.) They don't have the same e-penis factor as a hotrod CPU, but it's a better use of funds in my book. (Although with all this said, I'm not a huge fan of the latest Apple keyboards; I think they peaked back with the AEKII. But that's a matter of preference; I like one with long key travel.)
jsz0 17y ago
Why would you not factor in the design? Goto NewEgg.com and price out some nice Lian-Li cases. They're expensive. Yes, you can get a junky finger slicer case with loud fans and tacky lights for ~$50 but that's not what I want
- elblanco 17y ago
  Why does th design matter beyond "look at me, I'm using an overpriced collection of stock hardware". It's the old saying "you can't polish a turd". Commodity hardware is always going to be commodity hardware no matter how shiny the case is.
  - kburn 17y ago
    Well, the point is is that while maybe the guts are off-the-shelf, but the system design is not.

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nixy 17y ago
No, you get a 3.06 GHz Core 2 Duo as standard. The 27" model can be upgraded to Core 2 Duo 3.33 Ghz, i5 or i7. Read the page you linked to one more time :)

kburn 17y ago

You can keep lowering your component prices on your list till this makes sense to you. But let's be honest, you'd buy this machine no matter what because that's simply what you are into. The value proposition argument doesn't factor into fanhood. not a knock, just an observation, I'm thinking these look pretty sexy as well

davidmathers 17y ago
I find it hilarious that just a short way up the page someone is telling me you don't have to buy one because I so obviously loathe Apple products, while you're telling me my love for them is so strong that you'd buy this machine no matter what. All I do is speak the truth.
- jacquesm 17y ago
  > All I do is speak the truth. I think you should let them come to an agreement first before they can jointly accuse you.

Tichy 17y ago

What kind of calculation is that? Pulling numbers out of the air?