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They have lots of example configurations you can just copy. I agree that at first it seems like it's going to be a huge hassle to setup but it's really not that

by laddy 17y ago

They have lots of example configurations you can just copy. I agree that at first it seems like it's going to be a huge hassle to setup but it's really not that bad after you've done it once. Personally I find I get increased productivity out of not constantly fiddling with window placement.

clicks 17y ago
> They have lots of example configurations you can just copy. Sure, you can do that. But then you also have to take the time to understand THAT config (which, isn't even optimized for _YOU_, to begin with) and get USED to that . . . >I agree that at first it seems like it's going to be a huge hassle to setup but it's really not that bad after you've done it once. You also have to invest time in understanding how the config goes, and have a bit of experience with Haskell, and Xmonad itself, to even create a config that really is good for you. Maybe twm is something for me, maybe it isn't. I really don't know - because I only gave it one try, and quickly gave up (because I was having some problems with it, and wasn't willing at that time to set aside time to resolve those problems).
- jrockway 17y ago
  Just pretend it's not configurable. Now it's like all the other window managers. Also, stop calling tiling window managers "twm". "twm" is a specific window manager that comes with X. (Now there's a hard-to-use window manager.) Finally, what problems were you having? If you just didn't like it, say so.
  - LeChuck 17y ago
    >Just pretend it's not configurable. Now it's like all the other window managers. Currently my xmonad.hs looks like this: import XMonad import XMonad.Config.Gnome main = xmonad gnomeConfig { modMask = mod4Mask } Works perfectly for me, no hassle required.
    - jrockway 17y ago
      Very clean config. You should share that with the Wiki if you haven't already. (Yeah, it's simple, but it seems many people don't think a simple configuration can be useful.)
    - jrockway 17y ago
      Wow, strange moderation. I bumped you up to +2 earlier in the day (as I appreciate your contribution), but now you are back to 1. I can't believe someone would downmod this comment; you aren't even arguing about anything, you are just sharing your config. Sometimes HN makes me sad.
thingie 17y ago
Even the default config is reasonable and instantly usable, so this complaint really isn't very valid. You really can just install either distribution or cabal package, run it, and get the work done. On the other hand, there are things, that really aren't going to work just out of the box and are hard to configure. Xmonad has quite a different behaviour than Gnome, and sometimes different from what usual desktop app expect. It might be necessary to create a specific settings for a single application, sometimes. But that's what makes it beneficial. If it were just another bad copy of metacity or kwin-like window manager, without adequate support of EWMH and stuff like it, which is the case of many and many X11 WMs, then it would be really worthless.
- jrockway 17y ago
  I agree here. I set up a new machine the other day and had the default xmonad config for a while. It works fine; it is not significantly different from my super-custom configuration. It was certainly better than a window manager where you have to drag things around to see all your windows.

by laddy 17y ago

clicks 17y ago

> They have lots of example configurations you can just copy. Sure, you can do that. But then you also have to take the time to understand THAT config (which, isn't even optimized for _YOU_, to begin with) and get USED to that . . . >I agree that at first it seems like it's going to be a huge hassle to setup but it's really not that bad after you've done it once. You also have to invest time in understanding how the config goes, and have a bit of experience with Haskell, and Xmonad itself, to even create a config that really is good for you. Maybe twm is something for me, maybe it isn't. I really don't know - because I only gave it one try, and quickly gave up (because I was having some problems with it, and wasn't willing at that time to set aside time to resolve those problems).

jrockway 17y ago
Just pretend it's not configurable. Now it's like all the other window managers. Also, stop calling tiling window managers "twm". "twm" is a specific window manager that comes with X. (Now there's a hard-to-use window manager.) Finally, what problems were you having? If you just didn't like it, say so.
- LeChuck 17y ago
  >Just pretend it's not configurable. Now it's like all the other window managers. Currently my xmonad.hs looks like this: import XMonad import XMonad.Config.Gnome main = xmonad gnomeConfig { modMask = mod4Mask } Works perfectly for me, no hassle required.
  - jrockway 17y ago
    Very clean config. You should share that with the Wiki if you haven't already. (Yeah, it's simple, but it seems many people don't think a simple configuration can be useful.)
  - jrockway 17y ago
    Wow, strange moderation. I bumped you up to +2 earlier in the day (as I appreciate your contribution), but now you are back to 1. I can't believe someone would downmod this comment; you aren't even arguing about anything, you are just sharing your config. Sometimes HN makes me sad.

thingie 17y ago

Even the default config is reasonable and instantly usable, so this complaint really isn't very valid. You really can just install either distribution or cabal package, run it, and get the work done. On the other hand, there are things, that really aren't going to work just out of the box and are hard to configure. Xmonad has quite a different behaviour than Gnome, and sometimes different from what usual desktop app expect. It might be necessary to create a specific settings for a single application, sometimes. But that's what makes it beneficial. If it were just another bad copy of metacity or kwin-like window manager, without adequate support of EWMH and stuff like it, which is the case of many and many X11 WMs, then it would be really worthless.

jrockway 17y ago
I agree here. I set up a new machine the other day and had the default xmonad config for a while. It works fine; it is not significantly different from my super-custom configuration. It was certainly better than a window manager where you have to drag things around to see all your windows.