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ElementaryOS(Pantheon) - Better than GNOME. They are having and developing actual application like geary and midori. You can feel they are actually dogfooding i

by andor 12y ago

ElementaryOS(Pantheon) - Better than GNOME. They are having and developing actual application like geary and midori. You can feel they are actually dogfooding in contrast to GNOME couterpart. Are you trolling? Geary is a GTK3 application. It's great that people from Elementary are helping out, but basically it's made for GNOME, using GNOME's toolkit, object system and programming language. Midori is part of XFCE, and also uses GTK and Vala. The GNOME project of course has their own browser, called Web (previously Epiphany). http://www.gnome.org/applications/ http://www.gnome.org/applications/

mverwijs 12y ago
According to the Midori website (http://midori-browser.org/about/ http://midori-browser.org/about/) it aligns with the XFCE philosophy, which is a far cry from 'being part of XFCE'. Instead, it states it is the default browser for 'ElementaryOS', so the assumption of GP is understandable.
DanBC 12y ago
> The GNOME project of course has their own browser, called Web (previously Epiphany). This move to the most generic names possible for the software makes searching for i formation mearly impossible for people who don't know the old names. Problem with "Files"? Good luck searching for a solution and getting relevant results unless you know to include the word "nautilus". "Package kit" has four different names in the version on Fedora 20.
- jarek 12y ago
  Thankfully no one else names apps "Calendar" or "Mail"
  - qznc 12y ago
    I think the "vendor + generic noun" name schema is better than the "fantasy word" or "homonym" schema. So, I consider "Gnome Web" better than "Epiphany" for end users. It is also obvious that "Google Mail" and "Apple Mail" do similar things.
    - snogglethorpe 12y ago
      As long as they consistently include the "vendor +" part of the name, then fine... But do they? [This was a huge annoyance with NextStep-derived projects like gnustep... Because they started from a proprietary system developed in relative isolation, all the apps had super generic names, and culturally they were loathe to make them any less generic. This resulted in a big mess on systems where multiple desktop environments are supposed to live in relative harmony...]
    - DanBC 12y ago
      But I've already given an example where it fails hard - "Fedora files" returns very many false hits. Package Kit is called "Packages", "Software", "Software Install" and "Package Kit". Searching for "Fedora packages" or "Fedora software install" is obviously sub-optimal. Here's a screenshot for the package kit name thing. Package in the Gnome menu bar, Software in the program's title bar, Software Install and PackageKit in the About dialog. http://imgur.com/lylItwU http://imgur.com/lylItwU I would prefer the about dialog to contain a magic-word to be used when searching for that software. So, you can call the file manager "Gnome Files", but in the about dialog let people know that "Gnome Files" is "nautilus".
      - kls 12y ago
        Go is also a pretty good example, you have to search Golang to find results about Go on any engine other than Google's and I would assume I get results on Google, for Go, because I am profiled as a developer. I don't think a lot of thought is put into search brand-ability when it comes to some of these projects, until after the fact.
        jarek 12y ago
        Programming language names seem particularly bad in that respect: python, ruby, Java, C...
        heinrich5991 12y ago
        Python is very much googleable, and C isn't that bad either. Just differentiating between C, C++ and C# wasn't possible on Google until lately.

by andor 12y ago

mverwijs 12y ago

According to the Midori website (http://midori-browser.org/about/ http://midori-browser.org/about/) it aligns with the XFCE philosophy, which is a far cry from 'being part of XFCE'. Instead, it states it is the default browser for 'ElementaryOS', so the assumption of GP is understandable.

DanBC 12y ago

> The GNOME project of course has their own browser, called Web (previously Epiphany). This move to the most generic names possible for the software makes searching for i formation mearly impossible for people who don't know the old names. Problem with "Files"? Good luck searching for a solution and getting relevant results unless you know to include the word "nautilus". "Package kit" has four different names in the version on Fedora 20.

jarek 12y ago
Thankfully no one else names apps "Calendar" or "Mail"
- qznc 12y ago
  I think the "vendor + generic noun" name schema is better than the "fantasy word" or "homonym" schema. So, I consider "Gnome Web" better than "Epiphany" for end users. It is also obvious that "Google Mail" and "Apple Mail" do similar things.
  - snogglethorpe 12y ago
    As long as they consistently include the "vendor +" part of the name, then fine... But do they? [This was a huge annoyance with NextStep-derived projects like gnustep... Because they started from a proprietary system developed in relative isolation, all the apps had super generic names, and culturally they were loathe to make them any less generic. This resulted in a big mess on systems where multiple desktop environments are supposed to live in relative harmony...]
  - DanBC 12y ago
    But I've already given an example where it fails hard - "Fedora files" returns very many false hits. Package Kit is called "Packages", "Software", "Software Install" and "Package Kit". Searching for "Fedora packages" or "Fedora software install" is obviously sub-optimal. Here's a screenshot for the package kit name thing. Package in the Gnome menu bar, Software in the program's title bar, Software Install and PackageKit in the About dialog. http://imgur.com/lylItwU http://imgur.com/lylItwU I would prefer the about dialog to contain a magic-word to be used when searching for that software. So, you can call the file manager "Gnome Files", but in the about dialog let people know that "Gnome Files" is "nautilus".
    - kls 12y ago
      Go is also a pretty good example, you have to search Golang to find results about Go on any engine other than Google's and I would assume I get results on Google, for Go, because I am profiled as a developer. I don't think a lot of thought is put into search brand-ability when it comes to some of these projects, until after the fact.
      - jarek 12y ago
        Programming language names seem particularly bad in that respect: python, ruby, Java, C...
        heinrich5991 12y ago
        Python is very much googleable, and C isn't that bad either. Just differentiating between C, C++ and C# wasn't possible on Google until lately.