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Noone's being forced to work any hours for any amount. They choose to do it, and if companies choose to hire them it's because they provide better value for mon

by philh 17y ago

Noone's being forced to work any hours for any amount. They choose to do it, and if companies choose to hire them it's because they provide better value for money than the other potential employees. Possibly it makes economic sense to require them to be paid the same. But making the argument in terms of coercion is disingenuous.

vaksel 17y ago
Of course they provide better value, they are willing to do anything to come over here. I'm sure if you told 5 year old kids you'd be willing to hire them for $2/hour some of them would sign up, but we have child work laws for the same exact reason. Yes it makes economic sense to the company, but why should the American government help them at the expense of our own citizens? We have 10% unemployment, plenty of people willing to work, why should we subsidize your greed by giving you access to more slave labor?
- smcq 17y ago
  As the grandson of a 'slave' immigrant that was brought over to build the railroads I take great offense to your complete lack of empathy. If they're willing to work for $8/hour here, that means things are worse for them where they are. Who are you to cast people into poverty, death, and dismay so that your economy can maintain a slightly higher salary.
  - vaksel 17y ago
    Who are you to cast your fellow americans into poverty, death and dismay just because you have a hard-on for helping people. Earth is not a magical place with rainbows and unicorns, you want to come to this country? Make us want you. Get a PhD or a Masters and you are good to go. My parents won the green card...TWICE...in the same year. So the odds mustn't be that hard.
    - smcq 17y ago
      My grandfather was literally starving to death before he immigrated. Are you seriously claiming the (theoretical) minor reductions in earning caps (for unskilled labor) we're discussing are comparable?
      - vaksel 17y ago
        so why don't we just declare communism, give everyone a piece of bread and go on with our lives? unskilled labor is just that, unskilled, I'm suggesting that having someone pay $200K for a college degree and then importing cheap labor because you don't want to pay the salary is bullshit
    - mavelikara 17y ago
      When you say "won", do you mean the Diversity Visa lottery?
      - vaksel 17y ago
        Yeah

by philh 17y ago

vaksel 17y ago

Of course they provide better value, they are willing to do anything to come over here. I'm sure if you told 5 year old kids you'd be willing to hire them for $2/hour some of them would sign up, but we have child work laws for the same exact reason. Yes it makes economic sense to the company, but why should the American government help them at the expense of our own citizens? We have 10% unemployment, plenty of people willing to work, why should we subsidize your greed by giving you access to more slave labor?

smcq 17y ago
As the grandson of a 'slave' immigrant that was brought over to build the railroads I take great offense to your complete lack of empathy. If they're willing to work for $8/hour here, that means things are worse for them where they are. Who are you to cast people into poverty, death, and dismay so that your economy can maintain a slightly higher salary.
- vaksel 17y ago
  Who are you to cast your fellow americans into poverty, death and dismay just because you have a hard-on for helping people. Earth is not a magical place with rainbows and unicorns, you want to come to this country? Make us want you. Get a PhD or a Masters and you are good to go. My parents won the green card...TWICE...in the same year. So the odds mustn't be that hard.
  - smcq 17y ago
    My grandfather was literally starving to death before he immigrated. Are you seriously claiming the (theoretical) minor reductions in earning caps (for unskilled labor) we're discussing are comparable?
    - vaksel 17y ago
      so why don't we just declare communism, give everyone a piece of bread and go on with our lives? unskilled labor is just that, unskilled, I'm suggesting that having someone pay $200K for a college degree and then importing cheap labor because you don't want to pay the salary is bullshit
  - mavelikara 17y ago
    When you say "won", do you mean the Diversity Visa lottery?
    - vaksel 17y ago
      Yeah