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Vaccinated people can also spread the disease to un-vaccinated people. Natural immunity is also much better than vaccination, so one might also say that vaccin

Vaccinated people can also spread the disease to un-vaccinated people. Natural immunity is also much better than vaccination, so one might also say that vaccinations are weakening natural herd immunity. I wasn't aware that I kept getting the same answer, but please don't get snarky with me just because I haven't immediately agreed with the rest of the crowd here.

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DanBC 12y ago
> Natural immunity is also much better than vaccination I genuinely don't know what you're trying to say here. Someone develops immunity by being exposed to the virus. They can either take the dead virus in the form of a vaccine or they can take the love virus in the form of disease. There are risks with the vaccination. A tiny number of people suffer ill effects. There are significantly more risks from the disease. People routinely die or are disabled by the virus. The immunity that people get is the same. You, by repeating your myths, are being dishonest. Perhaps you mean something different by "natural immunity"? Perhaps you mean people are somehow born with an immunity?
- WorldWideWayne 12y ago
  Natural immunity is simply the immunity that your body builds when you get the non-attenuated disease. Vaccines contain chemically attenuated (weakened) versions of a virus/parasite/whatever, so your body doesn't have to fight as hard to immunize. It is not a myth that natural immunity is stronger and lasts longer. The immunity that you get from a vaccine is not the same. Please check your facts. My main question here was this: What actual harm has come to vaccinated people? Not hypothetical harm (e.g. the weakening of herd immunity)....actual harm that can be shown empirically.
  - Oletros 12y ago
    Vaccines are not 100% effective so some vaccinated people will be infected. And you must be joking when you say it is better to get the disease to have immunity instead of being vaccinated
    - WorldWideWayne 12y ago
      Well, yeah natural immunity can be better with regards to the specific aspects that I mentioned. I didn't say it was better in every regard or every instance. However, I still don't see what all the uproar is about. The vast majority of infected people will be un-vaccinated and the vast majority of vaccinated people will remain safe. The percentages of adverse events are low on either side (i.e. low percentage of un-vaccinated folks infecting an even lower percentage of vaccinated people vs low percentage of adverse affects directly from the vaccines as reported by VAERS or even going by vaccine court payouts). That's all I have to say on the topic. Any dissenters are welcome to have the last word :) Thank you.
      - Oletros 12y ago
        > However, I still don't see what all the uproar is about. If you don't get even after all the explanations given yo you it is simply because you don't want to get it

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DanBC 12y ago

> Natural immunity is also much better than vaccination I genuinely don't know what you're trying to say here. Someone develops immunity by being exposed to the virus. They can either take the dead virus in the form of a vaccine or they can take the love virus in the form of disease. There are risks with the vaccination. A tiny number of people suffer ill effects. There are significantly more risks from the disease. People routinely die or are disabled by the virus. The immunity that people get is the same. You, by repeating your myths, are being dishonest. Perhaps you mean something different by "natural immunity"? Perhaps you mean people are somehow born with an immunity?

WorldWideWayne 12y ago
Natural immunity is simply the immunity that your body builds when you get the non-attenuated disease. Vaccines contain chemically attenuated (weakened) versions of a virus/parasite/whatever, so your body doesn't have to fight as hard to immunize. It is not a myth that natural immunity is stronger and lasts longer. The immunity that you get from a vaccine is not the same. Please check your facts. My main question here was this: What actual harm has come to vaccinated people? Not hypothetical harm (e.g. the weakening of herd immunity)....actual harm that can be shown empirically.
- Oletros 12y ago
  Vaccines are not 100% effective so some vaccinated people will be infected. And you must be joking when you say it is better to get the disease to have immunity instead of being vaccinated
  - WorldWideWayne 12y ago
    Well, yeah natural immunity can be better with regards to the specific aspects that I mentioned. I didn't say it was better in every regard or every instance. However, I still don't see what all the uproar is about. The vast majority of infected people will be un-vaccinated and the vast majority of vaccinated people will remain safe. The percentages of adverse events are low on either side (i.e. low percentage of un-vaccinated folks infecting an even lower percentage of vaccinated people vs low percentage of adverse affects directly from the vaccines as reported by VAERS or even going by vaccine court payouts). That's all I have to say on the topic. Any dissenters are welcome to have the last word :) Thank you.
    - Oletros 12y ago
      > However, I still don't see what all the uproar is about. If you don't get even after all the explanations given yo you it is simply because you don't want to get it