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How Hitler Defied The Bankers? http://open.salon.com/blog/gordon_wagner/2010/05/11/how_hitler_defied_the_bankers http://open.salon.com/blog/gordon_wagner/2010/0

by known 12y ago

How Hitler Defied The Bankers? http://open.salon.com/blog/gordon_wagner/2010/05/11/how_hitler_defied_the_bankers http://open.salon.com/blog/gordon_wagner/2010/05/11/how_hitl...

shiven 12y ago
Now that was truly eye opening! Thanks for posting it.
- ptaipale 12y ago
  That article has some rather strange claims, and there's more than a hint of the traditional anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. No point in starting to refute things point by point, but just to pick a few: At that point the German government thwarted the international banking cartels by issuing its own money. As if the Weimar Republic didn't have its own money, which it printed with lots of zeroes after a non-zero. World Jewry responded by declaring a global boycott against Germany. Oh, there's a declaration by World Jewry? Hitler began a national credit program ... All these were paid for with money that no longer came from the private international bankers. Except, of course, where money came by confiscating the property of racial and political enemies [edit] that happened to be bankers [/edit]. Under the National Socialists, Germany’s money wasn't backed by gold That was no news, exactly. The Weimar Reichsmark wouldn't get you much gold, either.
  - innguest 12y ago
    The boycott of "Judea against Germany" is well known or should be, at least. What was the anti-Semitic part again? Or do you just throw accusations like that for no reason? Edit: as far as my reading goes this "Hitler went against the bankers" idea has no place in reality.
    - ptaipale 12y ago
      You refer to a boycott which was a response to persecution that Nazis commenced right when they were able to, post January 1933. This was not about bankers. It was a boycott due to Nazis starting to do what Hitler had promised to do, to start his actions on the road to the Holocaust. Yes, this kind of claims are typical of anti-Semitic nutjobs. I don't throw such accusations for no reason; I throw them because it is repugnant to claim that the Jews brought their misfortunes to themselves by this or that boycott or by being bankers or whatever. There are many Web sites that make a big deal about this "Judea against Germany". And it's mostly disgusting stuff.
      - innguest 12y ago
        > persecution that Nazis commenced right when they were able to, post January 1933 > Nazis starting to do what Hitler had promised to do, to start his actions on the road to the Holocaust. Can you source those claims? I don't remember Hitler giving any orders to start a persecution of Jews, but I do remember mainstream holocaust historian Raul Hilberg saying under oath in a 1985 Toronto trial that there are no documents to source that claim, and that the Nazis conducted what they did through a "meeting of minds, a consensus mind-reading by a far-flung bureaucracy". Without documentation, this is conspiracy theory at best. No doubt the Nazis killed millions of Jews. But they did not conspire to do so. Let's make sure we teach people real history, not conspiracy theories with hidden pro-Israel agendas. The Nazis committed innocenticide at a large scale, but after 1970s WWII became all about the chosen people, and I thought we were all Africans. I'll preempt your calling me "anti-Semite" by saying I have nothing against any ethnicity (but I do have something against religions that say their people are better than other people, like the Nazi religion or the Judaism religion, in fact I'm against all religions) and I do not believe for a second that religious Jews conspire in any way, like Raul Hilberg believes the religious Nazis conspired through mind reading. That, my friends, is preposterous. Edit: If you read Raul Hilberg's book The Destruction of European Jews you'd learn that in 1933 the final solution was deportation. Only after 1941 is it ever seriously claimed by mainstream historians that the final solution became killing. So Judea declared war on Germany over their plans to deport Jews. This should put things in perspective and this is mainstream history no matter how uncomfortable for you it is to accept. PS: if you do come up with a source, please also address why Raul Hilberg did not consider that a source when he testified under oath in 1985. PPS: downvoters, could you please point out where I'm wrong or why am I deserving of downvoting?
drzaiusapelord 12y ago
Wow, this is a crazy article. >World Jewry responded by declaring a global boycott against Germany. So we're using "World Jewry" in casual conversation now? Like that's a thing and it gave out declarations? Wow. >All these were paid for with money that no longer came from the private international bankers. How many billions were generated by the nationalization of wealth from Jews and minorities? Killing people and taking their wealth shouldn't be applauded. >Germany even managed to restore foreign trade, despite the international bankers’ denial of foreign credit to Germany, and despite the global boycott by Jewish-owned industries. Uh, it wasn't just Jews boycotting Hitler, it was a good chunk of the world. Turns out not everyone loves a sociopathic mass murderer who declares war on his neighbors. >Canadian researcher Dr. Henry Makow (who is Jewish himself) Is this how we write now? We mention who and who isn't a Jew? Wow. Please keep this pro-Hitler bullshit crap off HN, thanks pal. I find it amusing and unsurprising that the "OMG THE FED IS THE WORST THING EVER" crowd obsessed with Rand/Ron Paul also turn out to be historical revisionists and straight-up racists.
- innguest 12y ago
  > I find it amusing and unsurprising that the "OMG THE FED IS THE WORST THING EVER" crowd obsessed with Rand/Ron Paul also turn out to be historical revisionists and straight-up racists. I don't think it's OK for you to generalize like that. Because one article exists on the internet, and is wrong about Hitler and the banks, therefore all Fed haters are racist? When one makes generalization about the Jews they are roundly chided and rightly so. Consider yourself equally roundly chided. I hate the Fed (it's not an acronym). There's no reason to hate Jews as an ethnicity. The reason to hate the Fed is simple, they have a machine that prints money. Nothing to do with Jews, nothing to do with ethnicity. If the Fed wasn't run by people but only machines I'd still hate it, like I hate High Frequency Trading. Because HFT lied to us about bringing liquidity to the market even though it's not a person but a machine. A lot of people want to derail the discussion from money to race because it's easier. But this is to do only with money and no one wants to talk about it. That's the taboo. Money and machines should not mingle. Do Jews use currency? Yes. Then they are victims of the Fed like every other person is, that doesn't control that machine. Oh, I also hate when things are passed off as Science when they aren't falsifiable, like Keynesian Economics. Mixing things with machines or formulae that shouldn't be mixed is scientificism. Fed haters want to talk about money but there's a group of people that keep derailing the conversation to non-money issues. You seem to be part of that despicable group. Why? Why worship the money machine? People like you really want for there to be a Science that can predict the future. Well guess what. No such thing.

by known 12y ago

How Hitler Defied The Bankers? http://open.salon.com/blog/gordon_wagner/2010/05/11/how_hitler_defied_the_bankers http://open.salon.com/blog/gordon_wagner/2010/05/11/how_hitl...

shiven 12y ago

Now that was truly eye opening! Thanks for posting it.

ptaipale 12y ago
That article has some rather strange claims, and there's more than a hint of the traditional anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. No point in starting to refute things point by point, but just to pick a few: At that point the German government thwarted the international banking cartels by issuing its own money. As if the Weimar Republic didn't have its own money, which it printed with lots of zeroes after a non-zero. World Jewry responded by declaring a global boycott against Germany. Oh, there's a declaration by World Jewry? Hitler began a national credit program ... All these were paid for with money that no longer came from the private international bankers. Except, of course, where money came by confiscating the property of racial and political enemies [edit] that happened to be bankers [/edit]. Under the National Socialists, Germany’s money wasn't backed by gold That was no news, exactly. The Weimar Reichsmark wouldn't get you much gold, either.
- innguest 12y ago
  The boycott of "Judea against Germany" is well known or should be, at least. What was the anti-Semitic part again? Or do you just throw accusations like that for no reason? Edit: as far as my reading goes this "Hitler went against the bankers" idea has no place in reality.
  - ptaipale 12y ago
    You refer to a boycott which was a response to persecution that Nazis commenced right when they were able to, post January 1933. This was not about bankers. It was a boycott due to Nazis starting to do what Hitler had promised to do, to start his actions on the road to the Holocaust. Yes, this kind of claims are typical of anti-Semitic nutjobs. I don't throw such accusations for no reason; I throw them because it is repugnant to claim that the Jews brought their misfortunes to themselves by this or that boycott or by being bankers or whatever. There are many Web sites that make a big deal about this "Judea against Germany". And it's mostly disgusting stuff.
    - innguest 12y ago
      > persecution that Nazis commenced right when they were able to, post January 1933 > Nazis starting to do what Hitler had promised to do, to start his actions on the road to the Holocaust. Can you source those claims? I don't remember Hitler giving any orders to start a persecution of Jews, but I do remember mainstream holocaust historian Raul Hilberg saying under oath in a 1985 Toronto trial that there are no documents to source that claim, and that the Nazis conducted what they did through a "meeting of minds, a consensus mind-reading by a far-flung bureaucracy". Without documentation, this is conspiracy theory at best. No doubt the Nazis killed millions of Jews. But they did not conspire to do so. Let's make sure we teach people real history, not conspiracy theories with hidden pro-Israel agendas. The Nazis committed innocenticide at a large scale, but after 1970s WWII became all about the chosen people, and I thought we were all Africans. I'll preempt your calling me "anti-Semite" by saying I have nothing against any ethnicity (but I do have something against religions that say their people are better than other people, like the Nazi religion or the Judaism religion, in fact I'm against all religions) and I do not believe for a second that religious Jews conspire in any way, like Raul Hilberg believes the religious Nazis conspired through mind reading. That, my friends, is preposterous. Edit: If you read Raul Hilberg's book The Destruction of European Jews you'd learn that in 1933 the final solution was deportation. Only after 1941 is it ever seriously claimed by mainstream historians that the final solution became killing. So Judea declared war on Germany over their plans to deport Jews. This should put things in perspective and this is mainstream history no matter how uncomfortable for you it is to accept. PS: if you do come up with a source, please also address why Raul Hilberg did not consider that a source when he testified under oath in 1985. PPS: downvoters, could you please point out where I'm wrong or why am I deserving of downvoting?

drzaiusapelord 12y ago

Wow, this is a crazy article. >World Jewry responded by declaring a global boycott against Germany. So we're using "World Jewry" in casual conversation now? Like that's a thing and it gave out declarations? Wow. >All these were paid for with money that no longer came from the private international bankers. How many billions were generated by the nationalization of wealth from Jews and minorities? Killing people and taking their wealth shouldn't be applauded. >Germany even managed to restore foreign trade, despite the international bankers’ denial of foreign credit to Germany, and despite the global boycott by Jewish-owned industries. Uh, it wasn't just Jews boycotting Hitler, it was a good chunk of the world. Turns out not everyone loves a sociopathic mass murderer who declares war on his neighbors. >Canadian researcher Dr. Henry Makow (who is Jewish himself) Is this how we write now? We mention who and who isn't a Jew? Wow. Please keep this pro-Hitler bullshit crap off HN, thanks pal. I find it amusing and unsurprising that the "OMG THE FED IS THE WORST THING EVER" crowd obsessed with Rand/Ron Paul also turn out to be historical revisionists and straight-up racists.

innguest 12y ago
> I find it amusing and unsurprising that the "OMG THE FED IS THE WORST THING EVER" crowd obsessed with Rand/Ron Paul also turn out to be historical revisionists and straight-up racists. I don't think it's OK for you to generalize like that. Because one article exists on the internet, and is wrong about Hitler and the banks, therefore all Fed haters are racist? When one makes generalization about the Jews they are roundly chided and rightly so. Consider yourself equally roundly chided. I hate the Fed (it's not an acronym). There's no reason to hate Jews as an ethnicity. The reason to hate the Fed is simple, they have a machine that prints money. Nothing to do with Jews, nothing to do with ethnicity. If the Fed wasn't run by people but only machines I'd still hate it, like I hate High Frequency Trading. Because HFT lied to us about bringing liquidity to the market even though it's not a person but a machine. A lot of people want to derail the discussion from money to race because it's easier. But this is to do only with money and no one wants to talk about it. That's the taboo. Money and machines should not mingle. Do Jews use currency? Yes. Then they are victims of the Fed like every other person is, that doesn't control that machine. Oh, I also hate when things are passed off as Science when they aren't falsifiable, like Keynesian Economics. Mixing things with machines or formulae that shouldn't be mixed is scientificism. Fed haters want to talk about money but there's a group of people that keep derailing the conversation to non-money issues. You seem to be part of that despicable group. Why? Why worship the money machine? People like you really want for there to be a Science that can predict the future. Well guess what. No such thing.