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I wonder if there is an viable alternative to YouTube. I find the idea intersting and could see people gaining something from watching others code, but sadly li

I wonder if there is an viable alternative to YouTube. I find the idea intersting and could see people gaining something from watching others code, but sadly live streams are yet another thing I cannot use without a proxy. There seem to be legal problems with them in Germany or is it some European law and other countries are also blocked? Does anyone know what exactly the problem is? Just potential copyright infringements from audio in the background e.x.?

eatitraw 12y ago
> There seem to be legal problems with them in Germany or is it some European law and other countries are also blocked? It is a stupid law in Germany. :( https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/youtube/qLbjwfP9_IU https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/youtube/qLbjw... "Because of the German law (RStV), you must have a broadcast licence from the media authorities when you make a live stream that can reach more than 500 people at the same time. Not getting one would result in a fine of up to 500 000€. However, even if you would have one, Google might need one as well (because they somewhat are the "television channel") and they don't have one (if you do stuff that is against German law in your live stream, Google would lose its licence because of you)."
- fallenhitokiri 12y ago
  Thank you for the explanation!
- zaroth 12y ago
  The question in that thread is a good one, and unfortunately not actually answered. What defines 'live stream'? Obviously basic sharing of non-commercial recordings cannot require a license.
  - nitrogen 12y ago
    Obviously basic sharing of non-commercial recordings cannot require a license. I seem to recall reading that the German audio royalties law forced streams to pay royalties to the industry association (RIAA equivalent) even for creative commons music. I could be misremembering or misinterpreting, so if someone could provide an up-to-date reference it would be appreciated.
  - briandear 12y ago
    "Obviously" how? I'm not sure how that's obvious, or even true. Could you explain? It's a broadcast to over 500 people; so therefore it's considered a broadcast, commercial or not.

eatitraw 12y ago

> There seem to be legal problems with them in Germany or is it some European law and other countries are also blocked? It is a stupid law in Germany. :( https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/youtube/qLbjwfP9_IU https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/youtube/qLbjw... "Because of the German law (RStV), you must have a broadcast licence from the media authorities when you make a live stream that can reach more than 500 people at the same time. Not getting one would result in a fine of up to 500 000€. However, even if you would have one, Google might need one as well (because they somewhat are the "television channel") and they don't have one (if you do stuff that is against German law in your live stream, Google would lose its licence because of you)."

fallenhitokiri 12y ago
Thank you for the explanation!
zaroth 12y ago
The question in that thread is a good one, and unfortunately not actually answered. What defines 'live stream'? Obviously basic sharing of non-commercial recordings cannot require a license.
- nitrogen 12y ago
  Obviously basic sharing of non-commercial recordings cannot require a license. I seem to recall reading that the German audio royalties law forced streams to pay royalties to the industry association (RIAA equivalent) even for creative commons music. I could be misremembering or misinterpreting, so if someone could provide an up-to-date reference it would be appreciated.
- briandear 12y ago
  "Obviously" how? I'm not sure how that's obvious, or even true. Could you explain? It's a broadcast to over 500 people; so therefore it's considered a broadcast, commercial or not.