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Where are all of these "anti-vaxxers" though? All I see are articles about how bad these people are, but I don't see any articles about big problems that they'v

Where are all of these "anti-vaxxers" though? All I see are articles about how bad these people are, but I don't see any articles about big problems that they've actually caused, just a lot of disagreement about possible problems.

SAI_Peregrinus 12y ago
You seem to have missed the Disneyland measles outbreak. And all of the other, smaller outbreaks recently.
- WorldWideWayne 12y ago
  Sure, I heard about the 60 or so people who got the measles at Disney. I didn't hear about any smaller outbreaks but I honestly don't follow the non-tech news that closely. It didn't seem like a big deal to me... I looked briefly, but I can't find how many vaccinated people got the disease because of this. What damages have been done to vaccinated people and where can I read about that?
  - nasalgoat 12y ago
    Measles was declared eradicated in the US in 2000. Thanks to the anti-vaxers, it's back.
    - WorldWideWayne 12y ago
      But the vast majority who will get it will be un-vaccinated people, so aren't they just harming themselves? What do vaccinated people have to worry about?
      - DanBC 12y ago
        i) not everyone can get the vaccine. Thus, people who chose not to vaccinate are increasing the risk for those vulnerable people. ii) vaccinations are not 100% effective. Those who chose not to vaccinate are weakening herd immunity and putting everyone at risk. There are risks of taking the vaccine. Those risks are very much smaller than the risks of not taking the vaccine. This is the same answer you keep getting and keep ignoring.
        WorldWideWayne 12y ago
        Vaccinated people can also spread the disease to un-vaccinated people. Natural immunity is also much better than vaccination, so one might also say that vaccinations are weakening natural herd immunity. I wasn't aware that I kept getting the same answer, but please don't get snarky with me just because I haven't immediately agreed with the rest of the crowd here.
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        DanBC 12y ago
        > Natural immunity is also much better than vaccination I genuinely don't know what you're trying to say here. Someone develops immunity by being exposed to the virus. They can either take the dead virus in the form of a vaccine or they can take the love virus in the form of disease. There are risks with the vaccination. A tiny number of people suffer ill effects. There are significantly more risks from the disease. People routinely die or are disabled by the virus. The immunity that people get is the same. You, by repeating your myths, are being dishonest. Perhaps you mean something different by "natural immunity"? Perhaps you mean people are somehow born with an immunity?
        WorldWideWayne 12y ago
        Natural immunity is simply the immunity that your body builds when you get the non-attenuated disease. Vaccines contain chemically attenuated (weakened) versions of a virus/parasite/whatever, so your body doesn't have to fight as hard to immunize. It is not a myth that natural immunity is stronger and lasts longer. The immunity that you get from a vaccine is not the same. Please check your facts. My main question here was this: What actual harm has come to vaccinated people? Not hypothetical harm (e.g. the weakening of herd immunity)....actual harm that can be shown empirically.
        Oletros 12y ago
        Vaccines are not 100% effective so some vaccinated people will be infected. And you must be joking when you say it is better to get the disease to have immunity instead of being vaccinated
    - WorldWideWayne 12y ago
      I guess the other question you might want to ask is - do you have any actual evidence that "anti"-vaxxers caused this or just plain un-vaccinated people from outside of the country?

SAI_Peregrinus 12y ago

You seem to have missed the Disneyland measles outbreak. And all of the other, smaller outbreaks recently.

WorldWideWayne 12y ago
Sure, I heard about the 60 or so people who got the measles at Disney. I didn't hear about any smaller outbreaks but I honestly don't follow the non-tech news that closely. It didn't seem like a big deal to me... I looked briefly, but I can't find how many vaccinated people got the disease because of this. What damages have been done to vaccinated people and where can I read about that?
- nasalgoat 12y ago
  Measles was declared eradicated in the US in 2000. Thanks to the anti-vaxers, it's back.
  - WorldWideWayne 12y ago
    But the vast majority who will get it will be un-vaccinated people, so aren't they just harming themselves? What do vaccinated people have to worry about?
    - DanBC 12y ago
      i) not everyone can get the vaccine. Thus, people who chose not to vaccinate are increasing the risk for those vulnerable people. ii) vaccinations are not 100% effective. Those who chose not to vaccinate are weakening herd immunity and putting everyone at risk. There are risks of taking the vaccine. Those risks are very much smaller than the risks of not taking the vaccine. This is the same answer you keep getting and keep ignoring.
      - WorldWideWayne 12y ago
        Vaccinated people can also spread the disease to un-vaccinated people. Natural immunity is also much better than vaccination, so one might also say that vaccinations are weakening natural herd immunity. I wasn't aware that I kept getting the same answer, but please don't get snarky with me just because I haven't immediately agreed with the rest of the crowd here.
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        DanBC 12y ago
        > Natural immunity is also much better than vaccination I genuinely don't know what you're trying to say here. Someone develops immunity by being exposed to the virus. They can either take the dead virus in the form of a vaccine or they can take the love virus in the form of disease. There are risks with the vaccination. A tiny number of people suffer ill effects. There are significantly more risks from the disease. People routinely die or are disabled by the virus. The immunity that people get is the same. You, by repeating your myths, are being dishonest. Perhaps you mean something different by "natural immunity"? Perhaps you mean people are somehow born with an immunity?
        WorldWideWayne 12y ago
        Natural immunity is simply the immunity that your body builds when you get the non-attenuated disease. Vaccines contain chemically attenuated (weakened) versions of a virus/parasite/whatever, so your body doesn't have to fight as hard to immunize. It is not a myth that natural immunity is stronger and lasts longer. The immunity that you get from a vaccine is not the same. Please check your facts. My main question here was this: What actual harm has come to vaccinated people? Not hypothetical harm (e.g. the weakening of herd immunity)....actual harm that can be shown empirically.
        Oletros 12y ago
        Vaccines are not 100% effective so some vaccinated people will be infected. And you must be joking when you say it is better to get the disease to have immunity instead of being vaccinated
  - WorldWideWayne 12y ago
    I guess the other question you might want to ask is - do you have any actual evidence that "anti"-vaxxers caused this or just plain un-vaccinated people from outside of the country?