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Could we stop the anti-vaxxers if we said measles contains gluten?

15 points by plg 12y ago

Alex3917 12y ago
If the government wants to rebuild trust in the medical system, why doesn't it just stop lying about medical issues and fix the problems with the medical system? It's really not that hard.
fishnchips 12y ago
Give it a few years when an anti-vaxxer celebrity's child will develop a highly publicised case of polio. I'm truly sorry for that kid because it'll not be her fault. But in the grand scheme of things it will be a great lesson for the society. Sometimes we just need a harsh wake-up call.
nn3 12y ago
I like "artisanal vaccines"
WorldWideWayne 12y ago
Where are all of these "anti-vaxxers" though? All I see are articles about how bad these people are, but I don't see any articles about big problems that they've actually caused, just a lot of disagreement about possible problems.
- SAI_Peregrinus 12y ago
  You seem to have missed the Disneyland measles outbreak. And all of the other, smaller outbreaks recently.
  - WorldWideWayne 12y ago
    Sure, I heard about the 60 or so people who got the measles at Disney. I didn't hear about any smaller outbreaks but I honestly don't follow the non-tech news that closely. It didn't seem like a big deal to me... I looked briefly, but I can't find how many vaccinated people got the disease because of this. What damages have been done to vaccinated people and where can I read about that?
    - nasalgoat 12y ago
      Measles was declared eradicated in the US in 2000. Thanks to the anti-vaxers, it's back.
      - WorldWideWayne 12y ago
        But the vast majority who will get it will be un-vaccinated people, so aren't they just harming themselves? What do vaccinated people have to worry about?
        DanBC 12y ago
        i) not everyone can get the vaccine. Thus, people who chose not to vaccinate are increasing the risk for those vulnerable people. ii) vaccinations are not 100% effective. Those who chose not to vaccinate are weakening herd immunity and putting everyone at risk. There are risks of taking the vaccine. Those risks are very much smaller than the risks of not taking the vaccine. This is the same answer you keep getting and keep ignoring.
        WorldWideWayne 12y ago
        Vaccinated people can also spread the disease to un-vaccinated people. Natural immunity is also much better than vaccination, so one might also say that vaccinations are weakening natural herd immunity. I wasn't aware that I kept getting the same answer, but please don't get snarky with me just because I haven't immediately agreed with the rest of the crowd here.
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        DanBC 12y ago
        > Natural immunity is also much better than vaccination I genuinely don't know what you're trying to say here. Someone develops immunity by being exposed to the virus. They can either take the dead virus in the form of a vaccine or they can take the love virus in the form of disease. There are risks with the vaccination. A tiny number of people suffer ill effects. There are significantly more risks from the disease. People routinely die or are disabled by the virus. The immunity that people get is the same. You, by repeating your myths, are being dishonest. Perhaps you mean something different by "natural immunity"? Perhaps you mean people are somehow born with an immunity?

15 points by plg 12y ago

If the government wants to rebuild trust in the medical system, why doesn't it just stop lying about medical issues and fix the problems with the medical system? It's really not that hard.

fishnchips 12y ago

Give it a few years when an anti-vaxxer celebrity's child will develop a highly publicised case of polio. I'm truly sorry for that kid because it'll not be her fault. But in the grand scheme of things it will be a great lesson for the society. Sometimes we just need a harsh wake-up call.

nn3 12y ago

I like "artisanal vaccines"

WorldWideWayne 12y ago

Where are all of these "anti-vaxxers" though? All I see are articles about how bad these people are, but I don't see any articles about big problems that they've actually caused, just a lot of disagreement about possible problems.

SAI_Peregrinus 12y ago
You seem to have missed the Disneyland measles outbreak. And all of the other, smaller outbreaks recently.
- WorldWideWayne 12y ago
  Sure, I heard about the 60 or so people who got the measles at Disney. I didn't hear about any smaller outbreaks but I honestly don't follow the non-tech news that closely. It didn't seem like a big deal to me... I looked briefly, but I can't find how many vaccinated people got the disease because of this. What damages have been done to vaccinated people and where can I read about that?
  - nasalgoat 12y ago
    Measles was declared eradicated in the US in 2000. Thanks to the anti-vaxers, it's back.
    - WorldWideWayne 12y ago
      But the vast majority who will get it will be un-vaccinated people, so aren't they just harming themselves? What do vaccinated people have to worry about?
      - DanBC 12y ago
        i) not everyone can get the vaccine. Thus, people who chose not to vaccinate are increasing the risk for those vulnerable people. ii) vaccinations are not 100% effective. Those who chose not to vaccinate are weakening herd immunity and putting everyone at risk. There are risks of taking the vaccine. Those risks are very much smaller than the risks of not taking the vaccine. This is the same answer you keep getting and keep ignoring.
        WorldWideWayne 12y ago
        Vaccinated people can also spread the disease to un-vaccinated people. Natural immunity is also much better than vaccination, so one might also say that vaccinations are weakening natural herd immunity. I wasn't aware that I kept getting the same answer, but please don't get snarky with me just because I haven't immediately agreed with the rest of the crowd here.
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        DanBC 12y ago
        > Natural immunity is also much better than vaccination I genuinely don't know what you're trying to say here. Someone develops immunity by being exposed to the virus. They can either take the dead virus in the form of a vaccine or they can take the love virus in the form of disease. There are risks with the vaccination. A tiny number of people suffer ill effects. There are significantly more risks from the disease. People routinely die or are disabled by the virus. The immunity that people get is the same. You, by repeating your myths, are being dishonest. Perhaps you mean something different by "natural immunity"? Perhaps you mean people are somehow born with an immunity?